GNZLAP50

[spongebob206]

After reinstalling FSX I am still to install GNZLAP.

Do any of you still use this in FSX?

Do you think it is worth reinstalling?

Or is there another AI out there?

Thanks

Derek

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (spongebob206 @ Jan 24 2011, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

After reinstalling FSX I am still to install GNZLAP.

Do any of you still use this in FSX?

Do you think it is worth reinstalling?

Or is there another AI out there?

Thanks

Derek

Hi Derek the free ORBX AI traffic covers NZ as well as Ausie http://fullterrain.com/product_traffic.html

[Naki]

GNZLAP gives you excellent GA coverage of NZ..defnitely worth reinstalling but you will need to put a prop fix on some of the aircraft including the HTAI Cessnas if you have them. Also don't use the GNZLAP AFCADS in FSX as it will mess up the airports.

As Doug says the ORBX AI is also nice to have as this fills up the airspace with airliners (Air NZ etc)

[Adamski]

There's also WOAI, which can cover the whole of the world (including NZ). I used it for a while and thought it was *excellent* - but [sadly] I dumped it when I bought Ultimate Traffic 2 (which I got for the ease of importing your locally active repaints etc.).

[spongebob206]

Thanks Guys, Much apprieciated.

Will reinstall. Forgot about WOAI, have most on disk. Thanks

Where do I get the prop fix Paul?

[Naki]

Read the thread linked below..I've included some links etc in that thread - you will need to register on the Orbx forums to download the fix or you could PM and I will email it to you.

http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...t=0&start=0

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (spongebob206 @ Jan 24 2011, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks Guys, Much apprieciated.

Will reinstall. Forgot about WOAI, have most on disk. Thanks

Where do I get the prop fix Paul?

This program fixes a lot of FS9 and earlier props for FSX http://www.interkultur.de/gossmann/fsx/dow...lacer-Setup.zip

[Adamski]

QUOTE (spongebob206 @ Jan 24 2011, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Forgot about WOAI, have most on disk. Thanks

A lot of your schedules etc. may be well out of date by now ... may be an idea to check.

[spongebob206]

Thanks Guys

GNZLAP 5.2 working. (found my old HTAI) Lucky

Just trying to get ORBX and Voz going. No Heavy's as of yet.

Thanks for the prop fix, worked a treat

Cheers

[spongebob206]

Awesome all, thanks for your help and advice.

Forgot how realistic it is to have local GA and Internations in the air as you fly.

Brilliant, #3 to the Beech 1900 downwind.

So much more enjoyable.

[AdrianPetford]

I've also gone through this recently and have these working a treat:

GNZLAP Redux - Charl
GNZLAP: A Flock of Fletchers - Charl
RNZAF AI Package 1.1 - Charl
RNZAF AI Package 2.1 - Charl
10 AI Squirrels for New Zealand - Charl
NZ AI Bizjets - Dean, Charl, Ian

As I've become very familiar with tweaking textures after moving to FSX a few months ago, I did the prop fixes myself one by one. The good thing about doing this for the HTAI Cessnas is they also provide GA coverage throughout the rest of the world. I haven't used any of the AFCADs with Charl's packages which does affect the military AI in particular as that relies on AFCADs for waypoints etc, but I still see everything around so that's good enough for me even if it doesn't quite work as well as it was designed to. There are also still a few solid prop discs here and there as I couldn't fix aircraft without a separate prop texture but these minor issues are a small price to pay for the great experience Charl's packages bring.

I've also got running:

FTX AU Traffic - this is FSX native so doesn't need any tweaking. It's a brilliant package and even more comprehensive than the old VOZ AI Pack was. It works really well with GNZLAP. Interestingly, a lot of the models appear to be the same as in Charl's packages, i.e. FS2004 originally but converted to FSX by Orbx.
World of AI - all releases, except New Zealand and Australian airlines covered by FTX AU Traffic which I have installed but disabled. I found having everything running was too much with many double ups, including pairs of aircraft flying in on approach right behind one another.

One thing not mentioned in the thread so far is the need to convert any traffic files to FSX format. It's worth doing as even though the packages will still work, if FSX finds even one traffic file in FS2004 format, you'll lose all your standard FSX traffic. Most people disable the default air traffic anyway, but you would also lose your sea and road traffic.

I use AI Flight Planner (AIFP) for converting the traffic files. It's really easy and works well. All of the packages listed above have traffic files in FS2004 format, including World of AI but AIFP detects and converts them automatically in one operation. I set it to add "_FSX" to the filenames and then just delete the original FS2004 traffic files.

Hope that helps.

Was any decision made on a dedicated AI subforum? I would find it really useful and there still seems to be a lot of interest in the FS2004 AI packages.

Cheers,


Ade

[Adamski]

Thanks for the comprehensive post, Ade .. much appreciated. I went over and joined "the dark side" when I installed Ultimate Traffic 2 - and wiped all the carefully collected WOAI stuff. Should I want to ditch UT, all this info will be really useful

It's a bit of a killer, framerate wise, but I love slide shows anyway . What I *do* like is how easy it is just create AI flights with regular FSX aircraft ... so my NZWP and NZAR (not to say NZOH and NZWB) get RNZAF Hercs, B757, the Warbirds Dak, Catalina ... even the F4U Corsair puts in the odd appearance. Oh ... and I put in a smattering of my beloved Islanders and Tiger moths. All in full detail.

[connor]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Feb 14 2011, 03:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for the comprehensive post, Ade .. much appreciated. I went over and joined "the dark side" when I installed Ultimate Traffic 2 - and wiped all the carefully collected WOAI stuff. Should I want to ditch UT, all this info will be really useful

It's a bit of a killer, framerate wise, but I love slide shows anyway . What I *do* like is how easy it is just create AI flights with regular FSX aircraft ... so my NZWP and NZAR (not to say NZOH and NZWB) get RNZAF Hercs, B757, the Warbirds Dak, Catalina ... even the F4U Corsair puts in the odd appearance. Oh ... and I put in a smattering of my beloved Islanders and Tiger moths. All in full detail.

I have to admit I'm using woai and I think it is one of the greatest ongoing projects for FS. I also created flights with FSX aircraft, for various settings. For those of you who are running GNZLAP, WOAI and other fs9 traffic packages, I nearly finished an AFCAD for NZCH and NZRT that places traffic in the corect places and I have also placed some library objects at both airports as well, just hangars, fire stations, radar shack etc. I will post a new topic about it soon, with some screens. all who are interested can PM me and I'll keep you updated!

On the topic of AI, has anyone got a traffic package for Air Asia as they have recently entered the NZ scene, now flying into NZCH?

[AdrianPetford]

QUOTE (Adamski @ Feb 13 2011, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for the comprehensive post, Ade .. much appreciated. I went over and joined "the dark side" when I installed Ultimate Traffic 2 - and wiped all the carefully collected WOAI stuff. Should I want to ditch UT, all this info will be really useful

Heh. You're very welcome Adamski, I'm glad it'll come in useful. I've had a lot of help from these forums on all sorts of issues but have also had to muddle along and work things out for myself a fair bit, so I always try to give back any knowledge I've gained.

For my first few years of simming, it was just me alone in the sky (probably just as well given my standard of flying at the time ) and I only really got interested in the idea of AI when Charl started releasing his NZ-specific stuff. Previously it had seemed too complex to mess with for little obvious benefit and a likely heavy hit on framerates, but I dived in and was immediately hooked. You know how it goes, first a few things for NZ (plus the UK in my case as well), then why not Australia too? Then, before you really know what happened, you've got the whole world...

WOAI can be a real pain to maintain (and I'm now doing everything twice, for FS9 and FSX), but I wouldn't be without it now as it adds so much. I often visit a place just so see what else is there and can spend hours watching the AI traffic go about its business. I've never felt the need to go down the payware route as the free options seem more comprehensive than any self-contained package, as long as you have the time to maintain it all of course.

QUOTE (Adamski @ Feb 13 2011, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's a bit of a killer, framerate wise, but I love slide shows anyway . What I *do* like is how easy it is just create AI flights with regular FSX aircraft ... so my NZWP and NZAR (not to say NZOH and NZWB) get RNZAF Hercs, B757, the Warbirds Dak, Catalina ... even the F4U Corsair puts in the odd appearance. Oh ... and I put in a smattering of my beloved Islanders and Tiger moths. All in full detail.

Now that does sound interesting... I've never done very much with flightplans other than make edits to existing ones, but I could definitely have a lot of fun with that. I'm also after a Corsair for my hangar as I don't currently have one. I was thinking either the free Alpha Bleu Ciel or the AH or A2A payware ones. Which one is reckoned to be the best?

Thanks also for all your hard work putting together NZFSIM. I got some nice repaints from it for FS9 but it's really come into its own under FSX as I've been able to kit out many of the default aircraft in local colours as well as all my favourite add on planes. It's invaluable .

Cheers,


Ade

[Adamski]

QUOTE (AdrianPetford @ Feb 17 2011, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Now that does sound interesting... I've never done very much with flightplans other than make edits to existing ones, but I could definitely have a lot of fun with that. I'm also after a Corsair for my hangar as I don't currently have one. I was thinking either the free Alpha Bleu Ciel or the AH or A2A payware ones. Which one is reckoned to be the best?

Thanks also for all your hard work putting together NZFSIM. I got some nice repaints from it for FS9 but it's really come into its own under FSX as I've been able to kit out many of the default aircraft in local colours as well as all my favourite add on planes. It's invaluable .

Not sure about which F4U is the best - I only have the AF one.

Thanks for your comments about NZFSIM - I try to keep it updated - but I have to rely on repainters telling me when they release stuff ... or if someone spots an old one that ought to be in there.

There are some freeware utils (with nice GUIs) that are supposed to make creating flight plans using full FSX aircraft easy, but I could never persuade them to work - at least not with my "modded" airports (which is where I usually want to see customised traffic).