NZFF

Hi!!

I have recently downloaded a Air New Zealand Star Alliance 737-800. I am frequently flying domestic routes but mainly Nelson to Wellington and Wellington back to Nelson. I am quite new to FS9 and am "stuffing up" most landings. I am either missing the runway, go to fast, dropping to soon etc. All i am trying to do is land in the middle!!!! Can anyone give me advice on speed, flaps, throttle, lines to take etc?????


It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Best advice would be to practice. Start with something slow, like a cessna, then move up slowly. I've been simming for about a year now and can't land in the centre of the runway. If you check out videos quite a lot of people don't land right on the middle. But practice and you will be able to land on the runway, each time getting better than before.

my advice would be if you want to start off big take it nice and slow but fast enogh so you can have full control of your controll surface and when coming into land or for apporch take a good wide area and alwo for room dont come in to fast as you will bonce also practise makes purfict happy flying.

landing speed about 160 ,flaps 30% and speed spoilers " / " to slow abit if you need them ,
touch down wherever you want but you should kept the middle of runway insite as a marker ,but land closer to the begining "just a good view point "
i find 747s being about 180 -170
just throw them in as you plz ,then you will feel more and more used to landing them ..

ps dump some fuel "about to 20%" ,this mite help with the moving around of things on finals

Go to Avsim or Flightsim and search for these tutorials;
MAKING IT EASY TO FLY THE BOEING 737 PART 1

PART 2 LANDING THE BOEING 737 A VISUAL TUTORIAL
By Bruce Bouley

I found these tutorials, especially part 2, really helpful as I had the same problems and now I can land in the fog.

Also remember that Nelson is a short runway for 737s in the sim, and 737s don't come to Nelson in real life. You may want to try operating from a larger runway.

ooOO00OOoo wrote:

QUOTE (ooOO00OOoo @ Nov 20 2007, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Best advice would be to practice. Start with something slow, like a cessna, then move up slowly. I've been simming for about a year now and can't land in the centre of the runway. If you check out videos quite a lot of people don't land right on the middle. But practice and you will be able to land on the runway, each time getting better than before.

Really? I've been simming for less than 10 months and I see myself as pretty good- just make sure you give yourself plenty of room for corrections eg try and be lined up and in landing configuration at least 5-10nm from the threshold (for a 747). Works for me, and of course the distance lessens as the aircraft gets smaller.

victor_alpha_charlie wrote:

QUOTE (victor_alpha_charlie @ Nov 20 2007, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Really? I've been simming for less than 10 months and I see myself as pretty good- just make sure you give yourself plenty of room for corrections eg try and be lined up and in landing configuration at least 5-10nm from the threshold (for a 747). Works for me, and of course the distance lessens as the aircraft gets smaller.

I'm not bad at landing, i just can't land on the centreline, thats all. Give me an aircraft and i can keep it close to the middle, just not on the middle.

Kahu Project wrote:

QUOTE (Kahu Project @ Nov 20 2007, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Go to Avsim or Flightsim and search for these tutorials;
MAKING IT EASY TO FLY THE BOEING 737 PART 1

PART 2 LANDING THE BOEING 737 A VISUAL TUTORIAL
By Bruce Bouley

I found these tutorials, especially part 2, really helpful as I had the same problems and now I can land in the fog.

no. 1 is actually Flying the Boeing 737 Made Easy. just to save people the hassle of having to try different searches

ScottyB wrote:

QUOTE (ScottyB @ Nov 20 2007, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am frequently flying domestic routes but mainly Nelson to Wellington and Wellington back to Nelson.

Sorry Scotty, not sure about managing a 737, but I have been flying that route in a B1900D.

On a related note, does anyone know what the standard routes are to Wellington when departing RWY02 at Nelson?

I downloaded the CAA PDFs that list the route clearances from NZWN to NZNS. When departing RWY34 it seems to be climb out and turn right until your back onto M639 TR H235 NZNS ... and from RWY16 is H133 all the way to Nelson. I cant see anything that details the return journey tho. Would it be the same routes but in reverse? Be really interested to find out.

Up till now I've just been climbing out of Nelson on the 02 Romeo departure to 5,000 then turning right and getting onto H267 before turning up to go straight into RWY34 @ NZWN. No idea what terminology I should be using so I hope someone can make sense of the question?

deeknow wrote:

QUOTE (deeknow @ Nov 20 2007, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

On a related note, does anyone know what the standard routes are to Wellington when departing RWY02 at Nelson?

I downloaded the CAA PDFs that list the route clearances from NZWN to NZNS. When departing RWY34 it seems to be climb out and turn right until your back onto M639 TR H235 NZNS ... and from RWY16 is H133 all the way to Nelson. I cant see anything that details the return journey tho. Would it be the same routes but in reverse? Be really interested to find out.

The return journey is done from the other airport, so you would look for the Nelson standard route clearances

http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZNS_61.1.pdf

In effect, all you actually fly is the STAR into Wellington, either the NS1A Arrival for rwy34, or the NS1B arrival for 16.

Those respective STARS can be found:
here
and here
So, the NS1A STAR for rwy34 will follow the following route: NS WB CABLE LYALL


And with regards to landing...they say practice makes perfect, and that is the best advice. Best to start off in something small, and work up. You have less things to think about when landing a Cessna, than landing a Jet

Mattnz wrote:

QUOTE (Mattnz @ Nov 20 2007, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So, the NS1A STAR for rwy34 will follow the following route: NS WB CABLE LYALL

Thanx Matt ... I just downloaded "vroute" and it shows the same routes you mention, but now that you've pointed me at the right resources to look for maybe I can start working some of this out for meself :-)

Try the default FS2004 Flying Lessons, accessable on the left hand side of the main screen. What you will be looking for is called 'Solo Flight: Jet Landing', under the Airline Transport Pilot section, which guides you into runway 34L at Paine Field in the default 737

Way to remember how to land - all landings are compulsory - takeoffs however are optional.

Hi m8s, well if you need advice on how too land a 737-800, I flare it a little bit too much as required so it slows down quicker because it also lets you stop easier. And while im here how do you get a picture for your profile? I haven't got one yet. Oh yea before I forget im going to be online today on ip adress 203.114.130.15 cya m8s.

WoooooooW!

150 Knots VREF is way too much for a 737. That would be the speed at MLW most likley. Your Looking at around 130 knots for a 737, and perhaps 130-150 depending on the weight for a 747.

flightsimaviator wrote:

QUOTE (flightsimaviator @ Dec 20 2007, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And while im here how do you get a picture for your profile? I haven't got one yet.

Like one beside your posts? Go to 'My Controls > Edit Avatar Settings' where you can upload one (max. 150x150 pixels and 50Kb) or choose one from one of the galleries.
If you mean a Personal Photo, go to 'My Controls > Change Personal Photo', and you can upload one (max. 150x150 pixels and 100Kb).

Alex

Find out how much fuel you have on board to determine your approach speed.
In FSX open up the kneeboard and have alook at 'Reference' for the 737-800.

I started off flying through the big Red squares while doing an ILS, I found those very very helpful. In the 737-800, if you have the flaps at 40 degrees it says to have an approach speed 30 knots faster than having the flaps at 30 degrees. I find you have more control at 30 degrees of flaps.

For the person who said giving yourself 5-10 nm to line up with the runway this is a good idea for someone learning, but at Auckland in real life they bring the heavies in on 3 mile finals sometimes

The 737-800 is my favourite FSX aircraft and after 10 months of having FSX, I'd say im pretty good to say the least hahahahahahaha, kidding.
Thats why I'm a Pacific Blue 737-800 First Officer for New Zealand Virtual Airlines

The 737-800 is awesome!!!!!!

LMerraine wrote:

QUOTE (LMerraine @ Nov 21 2007, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Way to remember how to land - all landings are compulsory - takeoffs however are optional.

Nail on the head , don't make it a chore ! make it fun ! pretend your a TEST PILOT ! find a preferred airport , not LAX , find a long runway 60 meters long X 3.5km wide ya can't go wrong

Ian Warren wrote:

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Dec 28 2007, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

find a long runway 60 meters long X 3.5km wide ya can't go wrong

You'd need a 150knot headwind to land on a runway 60m long .... unless you're in a C-152... in which case you'd only need about 30kts...