Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:37 pmPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:59 pmPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:08 pmPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:01 pmPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:36 amcowpatz wrote:QUOTE (cowpatz @ Nov 18 2012,9:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I wish someone would do Auckland. I can't believe it hasn't been done already.
Hmm I think i need to look at Wobblyville (ex-Christchurch) a concerted effort for myself for FSX and around P3D .. VLC and ORBX , spending time looking for other things at the mo and trying other things out , Mike has been looking at Auckland as well .. once i get rolling ... it should kick-start efforts all over again .
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:24 amPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:04 amtoprob wrote:QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 19 2012,11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>............ We can be pretty sure that it won't be NZAA!..........
I cannot understand why not. Take a look at VATSIM and IVAO and NZAA features quite prominently. It is the major International Airport in NZ and an ideal short sector Oceanic flight. It would compliment the ORBIX NZNI scenery perfectly.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:06 amPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:15 amcowpatz wrote:QUOTE (cowpatz @ Nov 19 2012,12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I cannot understand why not. Take a look at VATSIM and IVAO and NZAA features quite prominently. It is the major International Airport in NZ and an ideal short sector Oceanic flight. It would compliment the ORBIX NZNI scenery perfectly.
Orbx don't do large airports any more.GlennAV8R wrote:QUOTE (GlennAV8R @ Nov 19 2012,12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any progress on a replacement Wellington Robin or is this on the back burner?
Glenn
This is still my main scenery project at the moment.
toprob wrote:QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 19 2012,12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Orbx don't do large airports any more.
This is still my main scenery project at the moment.
Just what I wanted to hear.
toprob wrote:QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 19 2012,11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>NZCH is still happening, but if it is up to me to any degree then this will be after the current actual airport development, which is due to finish mid 2013. This was meant to be a collaborative project, so you never know, it may have a 'staged' release.
Still on the cooking pot ... trust me , planting trees and placing houses , Well at best sometimes you feel we have shifted the world . .... Queenstown go VLC or the big O will be done as return to NZCH .. and a Welly with a NZAA coming in the rears again .
toprob wrote:QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 19 2012,12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Orbx don't do large airports any more.
Mores the shame. I hate shelling out big coin for a GA airport. So limited.
toprob wrote:QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 19 2012,12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Orbx don't do large airports any more.
Leave that to the professionals here in New Zealandcowpatz wrote:QUOTE (cowpatz @ Nov 19 2012,7:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mores the shame. I hate shelling out big coin for a GA airport. So limited.
A near free or close to that .NZAA would be the icing and course ... a new NZCH
, think we need both !
And since its going into Summer , need to slip slop and slap and cover it them for both VLC and Orbx !
QUOTEI would have thought that two quality Queenstowns would not be an ideal use of time, more so if they are both payware, so I'm not surprised that Mike has put his on hold.[/quote]
With the NZ simmer in the middle of the sandwich ... to go with VLC or Orbx; as it stands (from a scenery developer's financial pov), the above decision suggests the later appears to be winning.QUOTEWe can be pretty sure that it won't be NZAA![/quote]
Huh? I thought NZEddy had already finished NZAA for an NZSI release. See:here.QUOTEIt'll be interesting to see how the local scene develops once there are a few locked-to-Orbx projects available. We haven't seen that before here in NZ either, where payware airports require a specific payware base. Until we see how this affects things, it is really hard to gauge the direction developers should take in NZ.[/quote]
That's not quite true ... NZ simmers were locked into the FS9 SimXperience Mesh/Topo payware base ... every commercial scenery available at that time was specifically designed around simmers having this combination. What complicates the issue today is there are 2 competing payware bases (and, yes, I know I'm stating the obvious).
The question I think we should be asking is: how committed is Orbx to further developing NZ? Yes, NZMF and NZQN undoubtedly have great appeal to non-native simmers (and yes Heiko's preview shots are stunning). And yes, NZAA is a great stop over ... for those flying Oceania heavy iron. But that leaves another 94 (I think) local airports/fields listed in the FSX database which have little/no appeal to non-native simmers. Will we ever see an Orbx payware Rangiora, Timaru, Foxpine, or Keri Keri airfield? I think not.
NZ is still a relatively new product, but as non-native simmers move on to the next bigger/brighter/newer Orbx product (SoCal, Alaska), I doubt the interest in NZ will be sustained (or if it is, it will be piecemeal). For Orbx, the bottom line is always preceded by a $ value.
Just my two penneth worth.
ZK-LGD wrote:QUOTE (ZK-LGD @ Nov 20 2012,12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>With the NZ simmer in the middle of the sandwich ... to go with VLC or Orbx; as it stands (from a scenery developer's financial pov), the above decision suggests the later appears to be winning.
Huh? I thought NZEddy had already finished NZAA for an NZSI release. See:here.
I based this on Orbx's announcement that they will no longer release international airports. Eddy may have different plans, but the performance issue still remains.QUOTEThat's not quite true ... NZ simmers were locked into the FS9 SimXperience Mesh/Topo payware base ... every commercial scenery available at that time was specifically designed around simmers having this combination. What complicates the issue today is there are 2 competing payware bases (and, yes, I know I'm stating the obvious).[/quote]
My goal has always been to release mainly agnostic airports, and there is a difference between 'recommended for XXX', and not being able to install it in anything else. I'd love to see an Orbx NZQN which works in default FSX/VLC/Orbx. I'm not saying it won't happen...QUOTEThe question I think we should be asking is: how committed is Orbx to further developing NZ? Yes, NZMF and NZQN undoubtedly have great appeal to non-native simmers (and yes Heiko's preview shots are stunning). And yes, NZAA is a great stop over ... for those flying Oceania heavy iron. But that leaves another 94 (I think) local airports/fields listed in the FSX database which have little/no appeal to non-native simmers. Will we ever see an Orbx payware Rangiora, Timaru, Foxpine, or Keri Keri airfield? I think not.
NZ is still a relatively new product, but as non-native simmers move on to the next bigger/brighter/newer Orbx product (SoCal, Alaska), I doubt the interest in NZ will be sustained (or if it is, it will be piecemeal). For Orbx, the bottom line is always preceded by a $ value.
Just my two penneth worth.[/quote]
From a user point of view, the current situation is very positive, once you get over the which-way-do-I-go issue. I moan a lot, that's for sure, but only because I'm a developer in a tiny part of the world, where until now normal business practices haven't really been advisable. Developers tend to work around each other (sometimes together, but not often) rather than compete with each other. Orbx have to operate outside this, otherwise they wouldn't be successful at all. (Although there is an informal agreement not to duplicate airport development.)
The future is the tricky bit, as you've mentioned. Nobody can know what Orbx have in store for NZ -- was it a self-contained experiment testing various features leading to something with a much larger market, such as England? (If so, it's done its job already, with England selling at a rate of 3-4 times faster than any other FTX region.)
Personally, I'd expect to see one, maybe two payware areas for NZNI over the next twelve months after NZQN and Milford. Anything more would be a real bonus, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Within that period, I'm 100% convinced that nobody can make money from NZ payware, not even Orbx. This may mean a boon-time for freeware.
In two years we will have a much better idea of where things are heading, in the meantime it'll be mainly business as usual, but without the business... There is a lot more at stake in the future of FS -- when MS stopped FS development it was seen as a mistake on their part, but really it seems inevitable that any niche software market based on PCs would be on the decline. In five years time the desktop PC will go the way of the record player. Die-hard fans will still have them, but they won't be a part of the modern world.
toprob wrote:QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 20 2012,1:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but really it seems inevitable that any niche software market based on PCs would be on the decline. In five years time the desktop PC will go the way of the record player. Die-hard fans
Whats a Wecord player.. was that something Bruce Willis invented during his Die hard trilogy
Ouch! That's a rather bleak future you've painted there.
toprob wrote:QUOTE (toprob @ Nov 20 2012,1:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In five years time the desktop PC will go the way of the record player. Die-hard fans will still have them, but they won't be a part of the modern world.
Then Apart from the mobile platform, why do Intel and AMD keep developing there latest and greatest new tech for full sized PC's first. PC Gaming is still a big thing, and all the tech in console machines is derived from PC component development. I dont see things changing that fast.
AndrewJamez wrote:QUOTE (AndrewJamez @ Nov 21 2012,1:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Then Apart from the mobile platform, why do Intel and AMD keep developing there latest and greatest new tech for full sized PC's first. PC Gaming is still a big thing, and all the tech in console machines is derived from PC component development. I dont see things changing that fast.
Things change fast, but sometimes they take a long time to die. Remember Kodak?
Here's the latest Intel news -- Intel chief logs off as rest of the world leaves PCs behind.
EDIT: AMD as well...
ZK-LGD wrote:QUOTE (ZK-LGD @ Nov 20 2012,3:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ouch! That's a rather bleak future you've painted there.
Bit like the movie the other night .... Knowing ... only thing missing now is the dates and the longitude and latitude
Ya look like a real dork walking around with ya rudder pedals yoke and throttle system for ya held held communicator .. all this doom and gloom ..
