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Postby IslandBoy77 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:36 am

I charge $55 an hour incl GST. Typical build, test, OS install, tweaks etc is 5-6 hours - at least.

Building your own or "getting someone to do it for you" is very like car maintenance - how many corners do you want to cut, and how big a risk do you want to stand? There are plenty of "backyard" people out there who can assemble a computer - but I wouldn't let them near one of mine! Unless such people do assembling for a living, or do "private" assembling regularly, they are unlikely to truly know what they are doing. And there are plenty of ways to stuff up building a PC.

Also, if one shops around, one can invariably get stuff cheaper. But there's 2 thoughts there: are you comparing exactly the same components / brands? What is after-sales support / warranty going to be like - how many places do you want to have to buy from to cobble a system together?

A final thought: how much time and effort has the person you've been dealing with for pricing put in so far? It's rude to get someone to do a whole pile of legwork for you, then take the info and go somewhere else. When I smell a client like that, I tell them - politely - that I'm not interested in having them as a client any longer (I've had to do that 4 or 5 times) - such people are time-vampires with no return on investment.

The short of it all is this: if you want to go cheap, don't go to stores or specialists, and then be happy with whatever cobbled-together system you end up with, plus be prepared to spend time with problems, issues and possibly little warranty support beyond manufacturer's basic warranty. If you want a good job done, have someone you can call if you have probs, have a single place you can go back to for warranty, and all those sorts of things that people expect from a "store", then it's only fair that you pay them what they deem is reasonable for being in business.

They're not ripping you off, they are providing you with a service and a solution. biggrin.gif
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Postby Nzeddy » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:44 am

Hmm... that's true.

I've changed my mined. I'll pay Hitek Systems now.

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Postby Ian Warren » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:54 pm

I do a little maintaining , dusting clean internals , install general ie : RAM , HDs but times it best to pass it to the shop especially since the PC is my home entertainment system , i don,t have SKY TV or watch much , its all Flightsim and you for history and research and scenery .
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Postby pilot.masman » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:34 pm

i think ive paid twice for one of my computers to be 'fixed' and that was my first computer before i had any idea what was in a computer. nowadays the things i had to get fixed seem trivial and about 20 seconds to fix and yet they charged me over 200 for both. sad.gif Now that im certified i do my own stuff and my mates/family stuff although after a while you get stuck with the stereotype of if its broken ask him to fix it tongue.gif

for most people, just paying one company to do it all , buy and build is best as it saves them hassle. was just putting my opinion on the board.


BTW eddy those prices you got from PConline shop werent including GST... the big blue price is excluding GST if you pay by credit card and the little one is for bank transfer. the place i got my prices from was playtech
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Postby Nzeddy » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:13 pm

Ahh ok, my bad.

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Postby Nzeddy » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:52 am

update: 15/12/2010 - see GPU
Here are the final specs.

Hitek Systems Custom Built Gaming PC using the following components:

Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 Mid Tower
PSU: 1000w Silverstone PSU
Motherboard: Asus P6T X58 1366
CPU: Intel I7 950 3.06Ghz - Overclocked 4Ghz
Air Cooler: Aywun A1-V10
GPU: EVGA Black Ops Edition Geforce GTX580
RAM: OCZ Reaper HPC 6G DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600MHz) , Triple Channel Kit (3 x 2GB) , CL7 Edition Low Voltage , CAS 7-7-7-24 , 1.65 Volts , Ultimate
HDD 1: OCZ Vertex2 120G Solid State Drive 2.5", High Performance , SATA II , 3.5" Bracket Included . (Max Write Speed 275MB/s ) - For Flight Simulator X Acceleration and addons etc
HDD 2: 1TB Samsung F3 HDD - For OS, other games, etc
Optical Drive: Samsung DVDRW Drive
Other: - 1 Year RTB Hardware Warranty on the entire PC, extended warranty options available.
- Includes Labour to physically build the PC, install Windows 7 HP 64bit Operating system + latest updates & drives then burnin test the PC to ensure running nicely before client comes to pickup.
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Postby IslandBoy77 » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:30 pm

By golly Eddy, that's gonna be one kick-a** machine! wub.gif
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Postby AndrewJamez » Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:38 pm

I wish I had that kind of dosh, if I was to do one thing different it would be to add another 6Gig of ram. John V's video's always seem to show heaps more detail and speed than other similar systems and I think its the amount of ram, Probably one of the most understated components reguarding MS Flightsim performance. Has any one purchased that orbx GO app that allows you to tinker with the cfg. file through a nice little gui?
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Postby Nzeddy » Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:13 pm

Would it be a good idea to install Windows 7 and FSX Acceleration on the 120GB SSD?

"So you want windows 7 loaded onto your Samsung F3 1tb hdd, rather than your SSD right? If I were you I’d recommend win 7 on the SSD and also FSX onto the ssd, but hey that’s up to you really, you’ve EASILY got enough room for both and will certainly get the best performance with Win 7 running from the SSD in addition to FSX."

I've searched the net and have read that FSX is slower with W7 installed on the same SSD.

I was planning to install FSXA on the SSD and W7 on the Samsung F3 1TB HDD.
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Postby IslandBoy77 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:57 pm

Nzeddy wrote:
QUOTE (Nzeddy @ Dec 11 2010, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Would it be a good idea to install Windows 7 and FSX Acceleration on the 120GB SSD?

"So you want windows 7 loaded onto your Samsung F3 1tb hdd, rather than your SSD right? If I were you I’d recommend win 7 on the SSD and also FSX onto the ssd, but hey that’s up to you really, you’ve EASILY got enough room for both and will certainly get the best performance with Win 7 running from the SSD in addition to FSX."

I've searched the net and have read that FSX is slower with W7 installed on the same SSD.

I was planning to install FSXA on the SSD and W7 on the Samsung F3 1TB HDD.

Nope, you want to keep FSX off the same drive as Windows. Once FSX is running, the system's "interference" is less, and the read / writes to the FSX folder will be more important. That said, you don't want Win "active" on the same drive as FSX. Even though an SSD is pretty quick, it's interface is only SATA2, and therefore you want all that bandwidth for FSX only. The 1TB drive should be SATA3, and that will be plenty for what Windows needs. Of course if one has the money, 2 x SSDs is the way to go, but otherwise keep Win off the same drive as FSX.

It sounds like your assembler is not familiar with FSX - fairly common, as, proportionally speaking in terms of % of population, FSX is a small segment of the NZ gaming community.
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Postby AndrewJamez » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:35 pm

IslandBoy77 wrote:
QUOTE (IslandBoy77 @ Dec 11 2010, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FSX is a small segment of the NZ gaming community.


Make that VERY Small.
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Postby ZK-MAT » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:39 pm

Just a question, one of the IL2 guys has a bare bones second OS (with XP I think) on a separate hard drive that he dual boots into and all it has on it is IL2. Is that an option for FS?
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Postby IslandBoy77 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:03 pm

ZK-MAT wrote:
QUOTE (ZK-MAT @ Dec 11 2010, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just a question, one of the IL2 guys has a bare bones second OS (with XP I think) on a separate hard drive that he dual boots into and all it has on it is IL2. Is that an option for FS?

FSX is very demanding. One might, maybe, get away with it being on the same HDD as a completely stripped-down Win OS, but every time Windows wanted to do anything, there would be a "hit" on FSX as such. It might be that in the future when HDDs are significantly faster (and by fast, I mean bus speed not rotational) that this sort of thing becomes a non-issue. But when one considers that even a very fast SSD or Raptor-class drive is still slow compared to RAM or a CPU, everything one can do to maximise through-put is good. Fragmentation is also a part of the equation: FSX doesn't frag itself much, a boot-partition will (in spades). And since SSDs "shouldn't" be defragged (partly because it wears them out fast, and partly because supposedly they 'don't need it' - I don't actually believe that....), one doesn't want to have something on the drive that is going to cause fragmentation a lot.
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Postby Nzeddy » Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:41 pm

Thanks for that IB77.
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