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After owning a succession of various Joysticks since the early 1980's, including the MS Sidewinder, various Logitek, etc, my latest Saitek Cyborg Evo Force has recently been giving me problems with random triggering of the various buttons when forcing the stick to the extreme of its movements*.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/Saitek-Cybor...ripheral_review

So, today I rushed out to replace it with my new joystick: Saitek Cyborg Fly 5...>>> http://www.cyborggaming.com/prod/v5stick.htm

Quite a nice piece of kit, compact and light, and does all that is required of it (£40)!
USB power, rather than the heavy Power Pack Brick required for the Evo Force.

Its worth noting the the Saitek FLY 5 Joystick does not contain the Force-feedback components like the Saitek Cyborg Evo Force Joystick, but I don't use the force-feedback anyway...I always found it rather annoying!

Just reprogrammed the buttons in the Assignments option to work the same as my previous Joystick....so all is good to go!

Paul....FS 2004 + FSX... ...!

* ....another piece of useless/faulty hardware to join all the others slowly filling up the spare bedroom to the ceiling!

Paul, in the light of your self-confessed Telling it Like it Is:
No FFB on a stick is like... well I could tell you, but this is a family forum!
There may be times when you don't *need* it, but then you can disable it.

Best experience is a properly configured FFB aircraft, TrackIR, and some Bush Flying.

I still have my original MS Sidewinder FFB stick in a cupboard somewhere, in the faint hope that someone will make it compatible with 2013 computers...

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jul 17 2013,10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Paul, in the light of your self-confessed Telling it Like it Is:
No FFB on a stick is like... well I could tell you, but this is a family forum!
There may be times when you don't *need* it, but then you can disable it.

Best experience is a properly configured FFB aircraft, TrackIR, and some Bush Flying.

I still have my original MS Sidewinder FFB stick in a cupboard somewhere, in the faint hope that someone will make it compatible with 2013 computers...

Hello Charl.... ...!

Actually.....having flown a real Cessna 150 and 152 Aerobat a few times on both soft and hard surfaces, I quickly realised that the experience of force-feedback in a computer joystick is nothing like the real thing!

In an aircraft, most of the various gravity forces are spread all over the body, on the ground and in the air, mainly from the seat and floor, and some on the hands via the stick/yoke.

Trying to simulate g-forces and vibration via the hands alone on a force-feedback joystick doesn't really work, and feels unnatural!

You really need a full motion seat, and even then, it doesn't fully replicate all the g-forces experienced in a real aircraft.

For those reasons I ignored the Force-feedback in my joysticks altogether, many years ago, and just pretend that I am vibrating all over in the flight sim...(which can be exciting!).... ....!

...also the new non-force-feedback joystick is somewhat cheaper and lighter than my alternative one, with the force-feedback...(which is nice on the pocket!)...!

For flying experiences you just cant beat a REAL aeroplane!

Paul....Good Vibrations... ...!

Paul...Paul.
Less is not more.
You need one of these.

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jul 17 2013,11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Paul...Paul.
Less is not more.
You need one of these.

I get more than enough vibrations to my butt, via the seat on my various Motorcycles... ...

Force feed-back-less Flight Simming is a joy after riding 50+ miles on my Motor-bike.... ...!

Paul.... ...!

Crikey many years ago .. last century it was i grabbed the CH products F-16 combat stick love every thing about it except I'm left handed ... and today do you think they make hi-end left handed sticks nope hence my change to yokes well over a decade back .

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jul 18 2013,9:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Paul, in the light of your self-confessed Telling it Like it Is:
No FFB on a stick is like... well I could tell you, but this is a family forum!
There may be times when you don't *need* it, but then you can disable it.

Best experience is a properly configured FFB aircraft, TrackIR, and some Bush Flying.

I still have my original MS Sidewinder FFB stick in a cupboard somewhere, in the faint hope that someone will make it compatible with 2013 computers...

I had 2 MS Sidewinder FFB 2 Joysticks gave one away and I am still using the other and it works fine with my new PC I built January 2013
MB: ASUStek M5A99X EVO R2.0 (Socket 942)
CPU: AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor 4000 MHz
Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600
Graphics: ASUStek GeForce GTX 680 2GB with Matrox TripleHead2Go Digital Edition
Monitors: 3 Asustek VW 223 22inch
PSU: Col Power Gamer 975W
HDD: 1 168GB INTEL SATA III (SSD) 1 233GB Western Digital 10000 RPM SATA III 1 2TB Western Digital 7200 RPM SATA III
Optical Drives: 2 ASUS DRW-24B3LT SATA
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1

Ian Warren wrote:

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jul 18 2013,12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Crikey many years ago .. last century it was i grabbed the CH products F-16 combat stick love every thing about it except I'm left handed ... and today do you think they make hi-end left handed sticks nope hence my change to yokes well over a decade back .

Hello Ian... ...!

...although its too late now, you may be interested to know that my lovely old Saitek Cyborg Evo Force was specifically designed for both righties and lefties!

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http...EwBA&dur=22

It could be assembled in either form to suit either hand, and the throttle could be operated with either hand easily!
It is full of all sorts of adjustments. A wonderful piece of kit...(no longer produced)!

Its just a shame that it has started to play up after much daily use, and I've had to abandon it!

My new Saitek Cyborg FLY 5 is really only suitable for righties, 'cos the throttle(s) is on the left hand side, and cant be changed....and it doesn't "rumble".... ...!

...but I am a RIGHTIE!... ...!

Paul...right-on!.... ...!

P.S...and Doug....you've been looking at my 'puter spec below...and you are showing off again!... .... ....!

Fozzer wrote:

QUOTE (Fozzer @ Jul 18 2013,7:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Paul...right-on!.... ...!

Always felt Left Out Ian .. I might go and sue , yes sue for millions .. seems everyone is doing it these days ...

by the way...... who the ell is this Sue

dbcunnz wrote:

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jul 18 2013,4:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

... I am still using the other and it works fine with my new PC I built January 2013

Doug mine needs a Game Port - what does your Sidewinder plug into??

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jul 18 2013,7:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Doug mine needs a Game Port - what does your Sidewinder plug into??

Both the one I gave away and the one I am using now are the MS Sidewinder FF2 models and are USB

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jul 18 2013,8:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Doug mine needs a Game Port - what does your Sidewinder plug into??

Charl...

You need one of those old-fashioned PCI Sound Cards with the game port built in...>>>

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=PCI+S ... 27&bih=865

..I don't know if modern Motherboards still have a PCI slot?

Paul....Sounding off... ...!

P.S...you could try a Gameport to USB adaptor, but I've never had much faith in those sort of devices!....>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&key..._sl_ggdlxw2os_e

Paul I've tried adaptors but U/S
PCI don't fit anything newer than about 1840 alas.

Doug: where'd you get a USB Sidewinder??
I do so miss the thing...

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jul 18 2013,8:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Paul I've tried adaptors but U/S
PCI don't fit anything newer than about 1840 alas.

Its a little known fact that most of the US Immigrants travelling from the east coast to the gold-fields of California all had PCI slots in their computers... ...!

http://www.bl.uk/eccles/usimmig.html

...and waddayaknow...there's even a PCI slot in my 2005 Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower!

Like 3-1/2 inch Floppy drives, PCI slots can come in very handy, sometimes... ..!

Paul....California, here I come!.... ...!

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jul 18 2013,7:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Paul I've tried adaptors but U/S
PCI don't fit anything newer than about 1840 alas.

Doug: where'd you get a USB Sidewinder??
I do so miss the thing...

The one you have must be the sidewinder FFB precession pro mine is the next model up sidewinder FFB 2 Pro which came out with USB
You can get a games port USB adapter for the FFB precession Belkin F3U200-08INCH DB15 8-Inch USB Joystick Adapter for SideWinder they are available from Amazon or Ebay

Thanks Doug, the one I tried came from Dick Smith and was rubbish.
I'll have a trawl at Amazon.

Have the cyborg X. Love the dual throttle. Did have an issue with teh Twist Rudder , took me a few weeks to work out that is what it was. Wasnt a hard fix. The pot is mounted on the bottom of the stick. Has two tabs and a bit of glue holds it there, Just prised it off with screwdriver, came off easy enough, just dont break the tabs, Than removed teh inner adjuster and re bent the wipers to add some more tension , pressed back in and so far no problems. What happened is it would show the rudder off to one side, id unplug and replug and it would come good, thought is was dying on me.

Another piece of useles info for those who collect such things

mjrhealth wrote:

QUOTE (mjrhealth @ Jul 19 2013,11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Have the cyborg X. Love the dual throttle. Did have an issue with teh Twist Rudder , took me a few weeks to work out that is what it was. Wasnt a hard fix. The pot is mounted on the bottom of the stick. Has two tabs and a bit of glue holds it there, Just prised it off with screwdriver, came off easy enough, just dont break the tabs, Than removed teh inner adjuster and re bent the wipers to add some more tension , pressed back in and so far no problems. What happened is it would show the rudder off to one side, id unplug and replug and it would come good, thought is was dying on me.

Another piece of useless info for those who collect such things

Having replaced my very nice, worn-out Saitek Cyborg Evo Force with my new Saitek Cyborg X...(Fly 5), and having noticed that it has TWO "throttle" controls...AND a "trim wheel" control, I am left with wondering how to assign them to perform; Throttle + Mixture/Throttle + Propeller...and the "trim wheel" to perform Elevator trim?
The Assignments list only allows for keyboard button presses...NOT analogue control assignments!

The Throttle analogue control is assigned automatically on start-up, so how do you assign one lever to Throttle, and the other lever to Mixture/Propeller?
..similarly, assign the analogue joystick Trim Wheel to Elevator trim. (which are normally button presses; button 7/1!).

..any ideas, Chums?.... ..!

Paul...Logging Anna!... ...!

I have a Gravis Gamepad, use the mouse wheel on that for elevator trim, and have the wheel on the joystick assigned to the rudder trim in the FSX Joystick profile. USe FSUIPC for calibration.

Finally got the assignments problem confusion sorted out on the joystick!.... ....>>>

Menu > Controls > Assignments > "Joystick Axes"....for the Throttle(s) assignments!..(The right hand throttle is referred to as; "Slider!").

There are two Tabs: "Button Assignments" and "Joystick Axes"

The Joystick Trim Wheel is enabled in "Button Assignments" by wheeling forward for trim down, and wheeling backwards for trim up! (They will be assigned as Button Numbers).

Sorted!... ...!

Paul... ...!