The longest ATR flight ?

[cowpatz]

That is very strange. I seem to remember 2 years ago or so that Air New Zealand had ATR flights from NZAA to YSNF?? Can anybody verify on this please??

Regards,
Aharon

I'm certain that the F27 was the last Air NZ turboprop flight operated between NZ and Norfolk island. This was followed by the 737 and now the A320.

[chopper_nut]

Your Dad must have a huge playroom I've been over Ais Gill many a time, as well as Shap and of course Beattock too. These days, the electrics go up about 50% faster than the steam hauled trains used to come down. The S&C isn't electrified yet, but the latest diesels go up there at a pretty fair clip, too.

He's doing a slightly 'abridged' version shall we say in a loop. Modelled on when he was there (late 70s) so it's mostly diesel electric, Class 47s and the like. Most of the stuff is there, just not to scale. I love taking his Class 45s around though, they would've been a sight to see.

[chopper_nut]

Same - the seats in the ATR are bloody awful. Not hard, but an odd back angle.

Yeah, I can't put my finger on it either but there's something weird about the pitch. I find them hard too but I might have a boney a#se.

[Radar88]

Wow, this post certainly has become suddenly a very interesting discussion debate read.

It's got the Planes, Trains, all we need now is the Automobiles to enter into the discussion.

Aharon,

Unfortunately, I believe you've made an unfortunate, mistaken assumption about the topic and it's context purpose for being placed within the subforum under the Board index, Non Flightsim Related, New Zealand Aviation

As per the Topic title and as to where this Topic has been posted in the Non Flightsim Related section of the Forum location being refered to as the New Zealand Aviation ie real life Aviation related topics.

And???????????? You are incorrect about your statement above. It is NOT uncommon that this New Zealand Aviation subforum is used often by forum members asking about facts on real life present or real life historic flights of New Zealand aviation SO THAT they can recreate such same flights via flight simming.

That is why I was asking Splitpin if he is asking questions about taking real life flights OR he is asking questions about facts on real life flights on ATR so that he can recreate such flights on flight sim.

Unfortunately you are incorrect on all accounts in relation to the ATR New Zealand operations.

Air Chatham's flies the only direct flight from New Zealand, from Auckland NZAA to Norfolk Island YSNF and return every Friday. Air Chatham's will be using a Saab 340 on the Norfolk Island route.

That is very strange. I seem to remember 2 years ago or so that Air New Zealand had ATR flights from NZAA to YSNF?? Can anybody verify on this please??

Regards,

Aharon

If you look at The Forum Board index it reads.

Non Flightsim Related
New Zealand Aviation
A place for 'real world' pilots and aviation enthusiasts to discuss their hobby.

Given that Splitpin has posted in the Non Flightsim Related section, sub forum "New Zealand Aviation" this means he was asking in the specific context place for 'real world' pilots and aviation enthusiasts to discuss and obtain their thoughts, thru what is a real world discussion on the longest ATR Flight available within the New Zealand Aviation industry ie a place for 'real world' pilots and aviation enthusiasts to discuss their hobby.

I believe that fellow New Zealand "Kiwi" Forum members 'real world' pilots and aviation enthusiasts, understand perfectly well, what Splitpin was asking for.

Understandably, as a non "Kiwi", New Zealander, you've made some incorrect guessing assumptions and can be forgiven in the errors of your misinterpretation of our uniquely "Kiwi", New Zealand culture and mannerisms.

As it was you who stated.

My guess is that unless somebody tells me I am wrong, the longest ATR flight by Air New Zealand would be from AUK to YSNF Norfolk Island airport.

Am I correct??

Regards,

Aharon

I'm merely, politely, pointing out to you, in saying, these are incorrect guessing, assumptions that you've made.

Now since you've made a subsequent follow up statement.

And???????????? You are incorrect about your statement above. It is NOT uncommon that this New Zealand Aviation subforum is used often by forum members asking about facts on real life present or real life historic flights of New Zealand aviation SO THAT they can recreate such same flights via flight simming.

That is why I was asking Splitpin if he is asking questions about taking real life flights OR he is asking questions about facts on real life flights on ATR so that he can recreate such flights on flight sim.

Unfortunately you are incorrect on all accounts in relation to the ATR New Zealand operations.

Air Chatham's flies the only direct flight from New Zealand, from Auckland NZAA to Norfolk Island YSNF and return every Friday. Air Chatham's will be using a Saab 340 on the Norfolk Island route.

That is very strange. I seem to remember 2 years ago or so that Air New Zealand had ATR flights from NZAA to YSNF?? Can anybody verify on this please??

Regards,

Aharon

I respect your original intention in asking and I'm sure Splitpin also respects your intention.

However, I've not seen any supporting evidence to suggest that your following statement is true.

And???????????? You are incorrect about your statement above. It is NOT uncommon that this New Zealand Aviation subforum is used often by forum members asking about facts on real life present or real life historic flights of New Zealand aviation SO THAT they can recreate such same flights via flight simming.

I believe from past evidence seen and read in Forum postings, that, what you are really trying to say is that.

"It is not uncommon that this New Zealand Aviation subforum is used often by Aharon asking about facts on real life present or real life historic flights of New Zealand aviation so that he can recreate such same flights via flight simming."

As far as, I'm aware you're the only person, wanting to recreate real life historic flights of New Zealand aviation via flight simming.

I commend you, on showing your enthusiasm and pictures in the appropriate Forum area, and for wanting to recreate real life historic flights of New Zealand aviation as a non New Zealander not living in NZ.

Perhaps an understanding is needed.

Not everyone posting in the Non Flightsim Related subforum topics is doing so, for the sole purpose of recreating real life historic flights via flight simming.

Aharon, please take note of and respect Cowpatz's comments, as he's a 30 + year experienced Air New Zealand Pilot.

That is very strange. I seem to remember 2 years ago or so that Air New Zealand had ATR flights from NZAA to YSNF?? Can anybody verify on this please??

Regards,
Aharon

I'm certain that the F27 was the last Air NZ turboprop flight operated between NZ and Norfolk island. This was followed by the 737 and now the A320.

In support of Cowpatz, here's a article link from Civil Air, Air Traffic Control Australia in 2011 Air New Zealand win Norfolk Island air services contract which reports.

Air New Zealand has won the Australian Government contract to provide air services between Australia and Norfolk Island. Air New Zealand have advised the new Australian services will complement its current once a week service between Auckland and Norfolk Island.

Air New Zealand will provide 5 flights a week between Norfolk Island and either Australia or New Zealand using a 168 seat Airbus A320 aircraft. Air New Zealand will offer 2 flights a week from Brisbane and 2 flights a week from Sydney with the new services commencing March 2 2012.

Other links that are of interest,

Airlines that have operated into Norfolk Island

Photo Gallery of Airlines that have operated into Norfolk Island

Wikipedia Norfolk Island Airport

Air New Zealand's services to Norfolk Island consists of two flights per week from Brisbane and three flights per week from Sydney. On 16 December 2016, Air New Zealand announced it was ceasing its flight services between Norfolk Island and Auckland citing low passenger numbers. The last flight was on 21 May 2017. Air New Zealand continues to operate flights between Norfolk Island Airport and Brisbane and Sydney with Airbus A320 aircraft.

[Splitpin]

My goodness ....as Radar said, this has become a very diverse conversation based on a very mundane question...I like that.
"all we need now is the Automobiles to enter into the discussion" .....well , I really miss my first car ...it was a Humber 80 with a Hillman hunter motor, and the gear change was the wrong way around, never did find out why or how ...I killed it ..running it on 100 octane fuel from the water test drums at Whenuapai ...the valves didn't like it. It was replaced with a 1957 Velox (mint) ...which I also miss(I didn't kill it) ...what I would give to have her back now ....anyway, hindsight is always 20/20.
As you were , smoke if you have them ...carry on chaps.

[Splitpin]

@Naki ...thanks mate, will be in touch ...and the same if you make it this far south

[emfrat]

My goodness ....as Radar said, this has become a very diverse conversation based on a very mundane question...I like that.

Best hijack we've seen in a long while

[NZ255]

Please don’t get too serious. Just the other day I was thinking how NZFF is different from Avsim and others where people get very opinionated about *everything*.

I was wondering where the delivery flight took it, looks like the final hoop was via Brisbane.

[Lindstrim]

Further to the Norfolk question, I believe Airnz has lost the contract to fly from Australia to Norfolk, if I read the work email correctly

[Aharon]

I'm certain that the F27 was the last Air NZ turboprop flight operated between NZ and Norfolk island. This was followed by the 737 and now the A320.

Thanks for confirmation!!!! It must be propeller F27 that I remembered. I guess I got F27 and ATR mixed up because I was forced to use ATR to recreate the historic F27 flight from NZAA to YSNF 2 years ago or so since there was no decent freeware F27 add on plane!!! That might explain the mix up.

Once again, thank for confirmation and correction to my memory.

Regards,

Aharon

[emfrat]

Further to the Norfolk question, I believe Airnz has lost the contract to fly from Australia to Norfolk, if I read the work email correctly

From the Norfolk Island website:

What airline flies there?

Please note Qantas Airlines is operating direct flights from Sydney and Brisbane International until 19 June 2021. Air New Zealand will then resume this service. As from 27 May 2021 Air Chathams will resume direct flights from Auckland International.

From an earlier article (datelined March 4th) in the Travel section of Brisbane Times Online:

"But when Australia suspended the trans-Tasman bubble due to a COVID-19 outbreak in Auckland in late January, Norfolk Island was suddenly temporarily cut off from Australia, its biggest and, as it stands, sole tourism market.
Since then there have been further suspensions of the trans-Tasman bubble following more locally-transmitted COVID-19 cases in Auckland and Qantas was drafted by authorities to repatriate Air New Zealand passengers to Australia.
A spokesperson for Air New Zealand says the Australian government's edict means any crew operating domestic flights in Australia from across the Tasman must have completed 14 days' managed quarantine, or be Australia-based.
"This is why we've had to suspend the domestic sectors between Norfolk Island and mainland Australia. Air New Zealand has worked with the Australian government and Qantas to restore air services to and from Norfolk Island and these arrangements are currently in place until Saturday, March 6"."

[dbcunnz]

Did someone say something about a hijack lets go get them.

[emfrat]

[ardypilot]

You could do a CHC-ROT-CHC Marty, the plane turns and burns straight back to Christchurch with a 25 minute stop at Vegas. Some days they have an afternoon return so you could spend a few hours up in the Bay of Plenty if you wanted. Only a few miles short of the Tauranga sector really.

Longest sectors I've flown on the -600 are AKL-CHC on empty ferry flights.

I find the ATR to be horrifically uncomfortable as well as the noise

Surprised to hear that Choppernut! Paxing on the Q's almost requires ear definers. Ask for a seat in row 17 next time- far away from the engines and makes for a quick exit at the other end!