Attn: Anyone interested in an airline career

[twinstarda42]

QUOTE (victor_alpha_charlie @ May 17 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So there was no 7th form?

Think he's a year early their was sixth form cert then UE during the seventh form, althou it was replaced by another qualification/system? not sure what thou, prior to the present unit standards etc.

[SA227]

No, 5th form was school certificate, 6th form was university entrance (UE) and 6th form certificate and then 7th form was bursary. UE could be internally assessed and then you got UE (accredited) which effectively gave you the last 3 weeks off school at the end of the year as you didn't have to study for and sit the external exams.
If you wanted to join the Air Force as a pilot you had to have at least UE physics and maths.

[jastheace]

my first thought was great. second thought was but aren't ANZ trying to off shore there engineering? my thrid thought was, where area they going to get the 200 odd people a year, if it is anything like the flight schools here, they will be immigrants who once they have done there time, go to the big money areas, i.e Dubai and the likes,


great idea thought, i just hope it is going to work in real life

(will be intresting to see if you get paid to train, that has stopped me from doing something like this, i need to pay the bills!!!)


Just my 2c worth

[towerguy]

additional info from an old fart that went through that system

5th form = school certificate - usually 5 but sometimes 6 subjects if you were smart enough

6th form = University Entrance - again usually 5 but sometimes 6 subjects. 6th form certificate was a slightly lower graded system for those not quite up to UE - kind of like the b grade in sports.
those in 6A could leapfrog and sit bursary level exams in 6th form instead of waiting till the next year.

UE could be assessed which if you were considered good enough to be going to pass any way then you got Accredited - given an automatic Pass and didn't have to sit the exams as it was just a waste of time - you were going to pass anyway. If your work during the year and in the various exams during the year was not up to scratch then you had to sit everything - it was all or nothing - get accredited for the lot or sit the lot!
Also a pass in UE counted as an automatic pass in the corresponding School Cert subject - ie I missed out on School Cert Chemistry ( because I only opened the books about a week before the end of the year - still managed 45% though.) In 6th form I got my s**t together and got all subjects accredited including 6th form Chemistry so automatically got a School Cert pass! I only got that because all my other subjects were so high that they gave me chemistry anyway due to the all or nothing nature of the beast.

7th form = Bursary level - a monetary grant toward fees and books etc at University - was further split into A and B bursary which was just a difference in the funding level. Those in 7A could also sit a higher level of exams known as Scholarship which gave an even higher monetary reward again.
I only did the first 2 months of this year. I was going to fly low fast and drop bombs on things!

In all it was a great system for people that are good at cramming and remembering things - not so good for those that couldn't take the pressure of exams, you might do good work all year but if you couldn't sit an exam well then you were stuffed. Bit like life really - the boss don't give a s**t if you can fly a B747 from London to New York if you keep crashing on Landing!

I'm glad I went through the way it was - there is no incentive for those that are smart now and they have dumbed down the whole system with the touchy feely - no one fails, they just don't acheive - BS of today.

[victor_alpha_charlie]

Yeah whether I pass a Physics Exam with 51% or 100%, I still get the same number of credits. All I'd get for getting 100% is a certificate..

Why try? Easier just bumbling along getting mostly merits, with the odd achieved or excellence grade..

[benwynn]

Thats a pretty unfair!! I should go back to new zealand for my final 2 years!

In Aus (Or Queensland) your OP score- (Overall Position) is reflected on 5 subjects. You get to choose your best results out of each semester for them- but its not just pass or fail!

[Kelburn]

You may get the same number of credits but an Excellence sound better to any employer than an Achieved!

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (Kelburn @ May 18 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You may get the same number of credits but an Excellence sound better to any employer than an Achieved!

You don't mention whether you got A/M/E, you simply say you passed NCEA with X credits..
They don't sit down and go through every single grade you've ever got. Just make it sound good.

[Alex]

QUOTE (victor_alpha_charlie @ May 18 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't mention whether you got A/M/E, you simply say you passed NCEA with X credits..
They don't sit down and go through every single grade you've ever got. Just make it sound good.

Endorsed with Merit/Excellence sounds good - aim for that.

Alex

[flynz]

Yeah but most employers have no idea how NCEA works so you could probably just tell them anything

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (flynz @ May 18 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah but most employers have no idea how NCEA works

Does anyone?

[Kelburn]

I get it (though there are loopholes)

Isn't it interesting how conversation changes. (Notice how far off topic we have gone. From Air NZ Pilot School to employers not knowing how NCEA works! )

[twinstarda42]

QUOTE (HardCorePawn @ May 16 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You might want to keep an eye on the AirNZ press releases today... an interesting announcement is scheduled to be made.

although this is interesting 2 days after releaseing that Press statement:
Air New Zealand eyes flight cutbacks
By GARRY SHEERAN - Sunday Star Times | Sunday, 18 May 2008

Air New Zealand could be cutting back on the frequency of many long-haul routes by the year's end as the global airline industry braces itself for a downturn that could prove worse than the fallout from the September 11 attacks on New York.


Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe says high fuel prices and the malaise affecting the US airline industry which is now spreading to Asia-Pacific means "we are entering very difficult times financially".

"If demand starts to reduce, we can see by the end of this year aircraft having to be parked up on the ground," he says.

Already, seven US airlines have collapsed in the past four months.

But unlike 2001-02 when the national air carrier almost went broke Fyfe believes Air NZ is in great shape to weather the storm.

"To be honest, I am sitting here rubbing my hands, looking forward to what lies ahead," he says. "We couldn't be in better shape."

The airline had a cash surplus of more than $1 billion which would allow it to cope with market downturns, and was running a conservative balance sheet.

"We have got out of loss-making long-haul routes, and we are the market share leader on all those we now fly," he says.

"We also have no extra aircraft coming on stream so we are not going to be trying to load capacity into a soft market."

Fyfe also believes Air NZ's ability to survive will in large measure depend on a revolution he has been quietly driving within the airline itself since he became chief executive in 2005.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4552578a13.html

QUOTE (SA227 @ May 18 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, 5th form was school certificate, 6th form was university entrance (UE) and 6th form certificate and then 7th form was bursary. UE could be internally assessed and then you got UE (accredited) which effectively gave you the last 3 weeks off school at the end of the year as you didn't have to study for and sit the external exams.
If you wanted to join the Air Force as a pilot you had to have at least UE physics and maths.

Think it is more of a matter of when you went to school - UE was well gone by the time I got to 6th and 7th form so not 100% up to speed with were UE slotted in - we had school cert, 6 form cert, and Bursary and Higher school cert fitted in their somewhere 7th wise.

[WasFlightOps]

Aaaahhh..if it was only that easy.....When I first got into aviation an airNZ pilot described it as "a path strewn with broken glass".
UE? Failed it! Those were the days.

[pois0n]

NCEA is a load of cr@p really, I got 4 credits in Physics but it still counts as a pass... even though I failed all the exams

[twinstarda42]

QUOTE (HardCorePawn @ May 16 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You might want to keep an eye on the AirNZ press releases today... an interesting announcement is scheduled to be made.

Ok someone on pprune kindly posted were and in what capacity air nz cadet pilots will be placed:

From the study produced by 4 people, 2 i can confirm are pilots (jet) for Air NZ, not sure on the other two.

Graduating students from the cadetship would move directly into the third seat of a wide-body air New Zealand jet to gain familiarity with the working of the multi-crew operation. Whilst in receipt of a TRAINING salary, these second officers would not be type-rated or be listed on the company seniority list. From there, they would be employed into the Air New Zealand Group as a first officer on the turbo-prop fleet and issued with a seniorty number.

For the cadets, their "return of service" would start at the point of employment as a first officer. If the airline had contributed to the cost of the training this return of service would be completed at a reduced salary, in order for the company recoup the financial cost of the training. It is envisaged that the cadetship programme will take three years to complete from the commencement of training to completion of year one as a second officer.

the study goes on to state that there will be one interview for all the Air Nz group and you end up on a combined seniorty list.

[ZK-KAG]

QUOTE (travnz @ May 17 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The Massey degree is bolix, it is really just a good looking CPL/MEIR thats all, I am pretty positive that when air nz consider it, it is looked at like just as another cpl and not a real degree i.e. BA

Hahahaha....You call a BA a 'real' degree hahahahaha.... Travis what planet are you living on!? Do you even know what we do for our degree???

[travnz]

I know that you do the same as me plus a few extra, in my eyes that doesn't warrant a Bachelors, air nz obviously see the same.
Bachelor of Aviation = Glorified CPL

[ZK-KAG]

That doesnt even warrant an answer seeing as you know the in's and out's of the Bav degree so well...

[travnz]

hahaha