Canterbury Aero Club – January mountain fatalities

[HercFeend]

I hear that the findings of this accident have been released.

Does anyone know where to find the report, I wanted to get all the facts and figures but can’t find a copy on-line.

Cheers

[A185F]

http://www.caa.govt.nz/Accidents_and_Incid...K-LJB_Fatal.pdf

[HercFeend]

thanks.

[MurrayH]

Firstly, the Canterbury Aero Club were not involved with the training of these pilots, it was the IAANZ or International Aviation Academy of New Zealand.

From reading The Press last weekend, which covered the coroners inquest proceedings, the only person blaming the IAANZ was the father of one of the students. The father was also a commercial pilot in Mexico.

The father claimed that the academy did not warn students of the dangers of flying in mountainous areas and should not have let friends fly together without supervision.

The outcome was that the pilots lodged a flight plan, which was checked and approved by the IAANZ, but then the pilots failed to adhere to the plan. They descended well below the planned 8500ft flight level and deviated from the planned route. Basically, they entered terrain that they had minimal experience of.

Had they declared their actual flight path, the IAANZ would have NOT approved their flight.

Although they were both students, they had already sat and passed their PPL exams and flight test. They were training for their CPL (commercial) flight test. The pilot had 143 hours flying experience.

I am assuming that one of the students took on the role of an instructor, giving an informal lesson to the other pilot. This turned out to be a fatal mistake.

QUOTE (HercFeend @ Aug 31 2009, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I hear that the findings of this accident have been released and that CAC have in some way been blamed by the CAA.

Does anyone know where to find the report, I wanted to get all the facts and figures but can’t find a copy on-line.

Cheers

[HercFeend]

QUOTE (MurrayH @ Aug 27 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Firstly, the Canterbury Aero Club were not involved with the training of these pilots, it was the IAANZ or International Aviation Academy of New Zealand.

CAC / IAANZ - synonyms. Same premises, same management, even some of the same instructors........ Anyway, I just wanted to read the report.

[CHCalfonzo]

QUOTE (HercFeend @ Aug 27 2009, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

CAC / IAANZ - synonyms. Same premises, same management, even some of the same instructors........ Anyway, I just wanted to read the report to see if it confirmed what I had heard. In part it did - the IAANZ were criticised to a degree.

How so? That report is mainly factual and only draws a few concluding points at the very end. The only point they make with regards to IAANZ is that the addition of GPS tracking to their aircraft would be beneficial. Apart from that, the report pretty clearly states that the pilots choice to leave his authorised track was the predominant cause of the accident. The CAA certainly would have looked into the procedures in place at IAANZ and have obviously found no faults.

[redkiwi]

QUOTE (CHCalfonzo @ Aug 27 2009, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How so? That report is mainly factual and only draws a few concluding points at the very end. The only point they make with regards to IAANZ is that the addition of GPS tracking to their aircraft would be beneficial. Apart from that, the report pretty clearly states that the pilots choice to leave his authorised track was the predominant cause of the accident. The CAA certainly would have looked into the procedures in place at IAANZ and have obviously found no faults.

That's exactly how I read it aswell. Interesting to note about the cockup in time calculation for the return trip.

[pois0n]

The only thing that's changed there is that they don't let pre-cpl cross country flight test students fly with other academy students on cross country flights

[HercFeend]

Like I said, just wanted to read the report. Doesn't anyone feel that the CAA eluded to the fact they felt more mountain training would have been appropriate!

[chopper_nut]

QUOTE (CHCalfonzo @ Sep 1 2009, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

...the report pretty clearly states that the pilots choice to leave his authorised track was the predominant cause of the accident.

Well I would have said that flying into the side of a mountain was the predominant cause of the accident. There is a mountain training for helicopter students, I reckon that with the terrain in this country, there should be something similar for fixed wing pilots seeing that people keep flying into the 'cumulus granitis'.

[ZK-KAG]

QUOTE (chopper_nut @ Aug 28 2009, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well I would have said that flying into the side of a mountain was the predominant cause of the accident. There is a mountain training for helicopter students, I reckon that with the terrain in this country, there should be something similar for fixed wing pilots seeing that people keep flying into the 'cumulus granitis'.

Fixed-wing mountain flying syllabus to be introduced next year. CAA is meeting with ASL and Senior A-Cats to see how it is going to be taught now.