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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:38 am
by HercFeend

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:44 pm
by FlyingKiwi
I love how the NZ Herald's headline at the moment is "Plane's Centre of Gravity Can Shift, Says Report".

I think a year 9 science student could tell them that. dry.gif

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:58 pm
by Ian Warren
FlyingKiwi wrote:
QUOTE (FlyingKiwi @ Nov 11 2010, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Plane's Centre of Gravity Can Shift, Says Report".
I think a year 9 science student could tell them that. dry.gif

So silly the 'Herald' again and again , maybe they should put a NZFF member on the payroll just simply to get em edit with some knowledge , curve posting their idiotic reports rolleyes.gif

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:54 pm
by Bazza
As one of the least technically qualified people to grace the pages of this forum, when I saw the original TV footage of this prang, a number of things suggested themselves to me....

1. Take off and climb

2. Lose speed

3. Fall out of the sky to left and crash not far from the runway.

Possible scenarios, engine failure or inability of the plane to cope with the manouevre.....if so, why...?

Reminded me of the Tauranga tow-plane crash, where it was suggested that the flaps were tied down to stop them bashing about in the wind then overlooked...

However, we must be thorough about these things so perhaps in twelve months time (as suggested) a full report will be out....?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:21 pm
by deaneb
Bazza wrote:
QUOTE (Bazza @ Nov 11 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Possible scenarios, engine failure or inability of the plane to cope with the manouevre.....if so, why...?


A full enquiry will look at all possible scenarios as to why the aircraft pitched up and stalled however it appears that the aircraft was at maximum certified T/O weight and that the CofG may have been too far aft. At a certain point the aircraft pitched up and exceeded the ability of the elevator to control. This was further exacerbated as the unrestrained pax slid rearward, meaning all control was lost, the aircraft then fully stalled, dropped a wing and nosedived.
While there are calls for passenger restraints to stop this sort of thing from happening again, that is still not the "Root cause" of the accident.

Its interesting that there is talk about the plane exceeding the certified max T/O weight of 2205kg. For ag ops this is 2888kg, so one would think the plane does have the grunt there if required. In the report they also calculated 70kg per person, a pretty low average figure?