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For Jason.....if these aren't enough, let me know i can get more.


















Jason, I'll get better pics net week.

I mean, "next week'.....

Fringin cool cockpit shots Marty

Ian Warren wrote:

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jun 16 2011,10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Fringin cool cockpit shots Marty

Not as good as i wanted Ian....but it was just crazy busy.....maybe next week, i can take a bit more time for you guys.

I may go walky bouts and head in there , Charl calls me Wing Commander Warren ... now wonder if that may work ... nah really just tell em i'm looking for my sleeping bag .

I think they should just call you Sir! and loan you the front end of that bird for a week or 2...

Great cockpit shots Marty: "Rain Removal" I could guess at, but "Salt Removal"???

Just look at all that plumbing in the wheel wells, expansion coils, neat runs, it all fits.
And the Skyhawk itself was a neat solution to a problem that seemed to require brute force.
Douglas engineers are among my all-time favourites...

Great photos! My brother and I are going to Wigram to check out this latest addition. We will have our fellow Wings over NZ Forum buddy Don Simms with us. Don is an ex RNZAF A4 Avionics man and has a book due out early next month about the history of the Skyhawk in NZ. I've seen a copy and it is packed with stories, facts and figures, photos on nearly every page, artwork even some HUD images of some close calls! A lot of the stories (and photos) have not been in the public domain before so it is going to be a worthwhile addition to my book shelf! (And Don's going to sign it for me) Timing couldn't be better with Don having the book launch at Wigram and the KAHU prototype (which Don was involved in) being on display. Karma!
So if you are there around lunchtime this Saturday and you see two guys trying to pull back a third, thats my brother and I trying to stop Don from doing a preflight inspection!

avenger2504 wrote:

QUOTE (avenger2504 @ Jun 17 2011,4:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So if you are there around lunchtime this Saturday and you see two guys trying to pull back a third, thats my brother and I trying to stop Don from doing a preflight inspection!

The Book is now pre paid , I want a signed edition as well - see you Saturday lunchtime all going well !

Charl wrote:

QUOTE (Charl @ Jun 17 2011,12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think they should just call you Sir! and loan you the front end of that bird for a week or 2...

Great cockpit shots Marty: "Rain Removal" I could guess at, but "Salt Removal"???

Just look at all that plumbing in the wheel wells, expansion coils, neat runs, it all fits.
And the Skyhawk itself was a neat solution to a problem that seemed to require brute force.
Douglas engineers are among my all-time favourites...

Good point Charl....Im not sure what thats about (salt) must date back to carrier ops.

avenger2504 wrote:

QUOTE (avenger2504 @ Jun 17 2011,3:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Great photos! My brother and I are going to Wigram to check out this latest addition. We will have our fellow Wings over NZ Forum buddy Don Simms with us. Don is an ex RNZAF A4 Avionics man and has a book due out early next month about the history of the Skyhawk in NZ. I've seen a copy and it is packed with stories, facts and figures, photos on nearly every page, artwork even some HUD images of some close calls! A lot of the stories (and photos) have not been in the public domain before so it is going to be a worthwhile addition to my book shelf! (And Don's going to sign it for me) Timing couldn't be better with Don having the book launch at Wigram and the KAHU prototype (which Don was involved in) being on display. Karma!
So if you are there around lunchtime this Saturday and you see two guys trying to pull back a third, thats my brother and I trying to stop Don from doing a preflight inspection!

Glad you liked them Avenger....looking forward to that book

they are great shots, i will take all i can get, thanks for them look forward to more, whats with the yellow in the wheel wells, fluid leaks or is that just the paint going off

Jason

jastheace wrote:

QUOTE (jastheace @ Jun 17 2011,4:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

they are great shots, i will take all i can get, thanks for them look forward to more, whats with the yellow in the wheel wells, fluid leaks or is that just the paint going off

Jason

Jason, your welcome....i will get you some better ones soon. That stuff on the bay doors etc is some kind of protective coating...so hard to remove, so they decided to leave it there for now.

thanks for the info, i was wondering how i could replicate that colour, guess i won't have too now

Really enjoyed seeing NZ6254 in the flesh (so to speak....in the metal?)Don couldn't help him self and popped open the avionics door in the nose to see if the boxes were there(they weren't) and was pointing out the Sidewinders on the hard points were actually different models, with the port one being a "real one complete with seeker head" 9L and the starboard one an old 9G with a dummy alloy head. It was really quiet fascinating listening to Don pointing out different features about the A4. One of the funniest was a small transfer located on the inside of the nose gear door. At first glance it looked like some kind of fence or ladder with the red circle with the diagonal line indicating "Don't do this". Don smiled and said that an A4 pilot had once landed on an airfield that was actually closed and had smashed through a wooden airfield marker board that was on the runway!!! Somebody had the sticker made up and there it still is. Don couldn't recall if all the A4s ended up with them or if 6254 was the aircraft that did it. He also pointed out the faint remains of some cooling louvers on the port side of the nose. During the KAHU trials heat was a major enemy for the Avionics especially the nose and three of these louvers were installed to try and let the heat escape. It didn't work so they were sealed up but if you look closely you can make them out. As the Avionics boxes" are out of the nose Don commented that the Skyhawk is actually sitting nose high as with all them in and a full load of fuel the nose gear should be a lot more compressed and with the mains you wouldn't even see the oleos showing.
And Don has signed up to be a Museum Guide there which I think is just a cover so he can keep an eye on one of his babys. He certainly be able to educate any visitors looking at a real RNZAF A4! Oh and I understand the single seat A4 (NZ6205) arrives next week! First a famine now a feast!! I'll post a couple of photos later on.

Posting the pic s , be looking froward to that them , as a guide I here they do not like Civlian on site able to chat and talk the history . ? prefer ex RNZAF people , I'm Civil with know least a little bit about the types , well all off them .

Great pics! Now, who is the guy who thought the MFDs might be touch screens hmmmm?

Splitpin wrote:

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jun 17 2011,4:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Jason, your welcome....i will get you some better ones soon. That stuff on the bay doors etc is some kind of protective coating...so hard to remove, so they decided to leave it there for now.

Its called Ardrox Dinitrol AV ?? (there are different types) - its a spray on product which hardens to a wax like coating, to prevent dirt and moisture getting into the joints and corroding the aluminium. During major servicings its chemically removed so the underlying areas can be inspected and then its re-applied. Does not look very nice, but it does protect well. I'm not sure if it was used whilst the A4's were in service, as I can't recall seeing it. Perhaps, just for the storage over the past few years. It is certainly used on P3 and C130s in service though.

deaneb wrote:

QUOTE (deaneb @ Jun 24 2011,5:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Its called Ardrox Dinitrol AV ?? (there are different types) - its a spray on product which hardens to a wax like coating, to prevent dirt and moisture getting into the joints and corroding the aluminium. During major servicings its chemically removed so the underlying areas can be inspected and then its re-applied. Does not look very nice, but it does protect well. I'm not sure if it was used whilst the A4's were in service, as I can't recall seeing it. Perhaps, just for the storage over the past few years. It is certainly used on P3 and C130s in service though.

"Dinitrol"....thats it....cheers Deane, i cant comment on its use on the A-4's in service....but i have put some into parts of the Oxford restoration.

'Dinitrol' Jeez .. thought it was cough mixture

Ian Warren wrote:

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jun 24 2011,10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

'Dinitrol' Jeez .. thought it was cough mixture

.......feed marsbar and go to bed

OK Mum .. but first get Mars inside and another teaspoon of 'Dinitrol' ....... cough
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