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Hi guys

This year marks 110 years since the first powered flight by the Wright Brothers on their Wright Flyer I and marks the birth of Aviation Worldwide including here in New Zealand

To commemorate this significant anniversary, I am making this thread to celebrate this massive achievement made by the Wright Brothers

Feel free to post on this thread to celebrate this anniversary.

Although rumors shown that our local aviation pioneer Richard Pearse allegedly flew before the Wright Brothers, they still made this remarkable achievement

By Zain.

HELLS BELLS already been 10 years since the 100 Years .. You maybe a little early chappie .. currently 110 years ago Charlie Taylor was having a few technical issues with his engine , breaking springs and all .. still seven days to go

Ah yes, I remember it well.

steelsporran wrote:

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Ah yes, I remember it well.

Today i feel the same Steel .... bloody hell , 110 years.

zk2704 wrote:

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Although rumors shown that our local aviation pioneer Richard Pearse allegedly flew before the Wright Brothers

Not a rumour Zain, it's fairly safe to say he did get airbourne before the Wrights, seems like the question is was it really "sustained-flight"???

deeknow wrote:

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"sustained-flight"???

And then known Controlled Flight , so many contradictions , word was 1902, many other writings say 1904 , think due to isolation and general mention from local news put Richard Pearce in a head scratch basket - Fact is even if he did not get there as first , he sure as hell achieved one heck of a lot and even looking at other idea's well ahead of his time .

I look at this way , it took the Wrights to go to Europe 1905 -1908 in France and prove there fang dangled new flying machine even before the US of A gave them any sort of reconition , thing is Science news journals of the period kept point to the brothers making Richard to stand down from memory it took to 1911 before they got a patent for their idea .. all for have Mr Pearce being the first but other writings say he said the Wright's were the first .

deeknow wrote:

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Not a rumour Zain, it's fairly safe to say he did get airbourne before the Wrights, seems like the question is was it really "sustained-flight"???

It was not really a "sustained-flight" as it said on Wikipedia it was a poorly controlled flight, although the Wright Brothers made the first powered "sustained-flight" as it was a properly controlled flight.

zk2704 wrote:

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... as it said on Wikipedia ...

Ah, of course, must be true then ...

zk2704 wrote:

QUOTE (zk2704 @ Dec 11 2013,9:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It was not really a "sustained-flight" as it said on Wikipedia it was a poorly controlled flight, although the Wright Brothers made the first powered "sustained-flight" as it was a properly controlled flight.

Aviation Expert .. maybe time to buy some books on the subject , do what i do , find the subject your interested in , don't buy one and read it as gosipil ... if your interested in the facts you need half a dozen then examine then cross examine .... by the way - its not Wikipedia .. its Dikipedia !

Ian Warren wrote:

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Aviation Expert .. maybe time to buy some books on the subject , do what i do , find the subject your interested in , don't buy one and read it as gosipil ... if your interested in the facts you need half a dozen then examine then cross examine .... by the way - its not Wikipedia .. its Dikipedia !

I do read books about Aviation and aeroplanes as well as about the history of Aviation though I readed them so many times since when I was at primary school.

zk2704 wrote:

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I do read books about Aviation and aeroplanes as well as about the history of Aviation though I readed them so many times since when I was at primary school.

Zain , one thing you have to put in account , Most people here are aviation experts from the guys who do the driving to the guys that point the direction where they are going , you have the ones who have been in a real war , you have the ones who simply hire a plane , we have the many who fly on the thing every day ... and the best we even have the guys who sit in fish bowls ... we even have the most experienced museum guys ... sorry and girls , you have people who's history is word enough .

One thing i am proud of is one book i brought when i was in primary school , back then 1974 a whooping $14.95 that was super expensive .. took me nearly six months on lay-by at the Milton's bookshop in Upper Riccarton . .. this book mentions Richard Pearce in the final page , Pg 340 around there .

Yeah, lots to read, so little time. I borrowed the following from the library a few years back, a great yarn...

The Riddle of Richard Pearse (ISBN:0790003295)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Riddle-Richard-P...r/dp/0790003295

Looks one i need to put on my shelf Dean

Ian Warren wrote:

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Zain , one thing you have to put in account , Most people here are aviation experts from the guys who do the driving to the guys that point the direction where they are going , you have the ones who have been in a real war , you have the ones who simply hire a plane , we have the many who fly on the thing every day ... and the best we even have the guys who sit in fish bowls ... we even have the most experienced museum guys ... sorry and girls , you have people who's history is word enough .

You're giving me a bit of wake turbulence here I am one of those Aviation experts, I know the CAA rules, I know the Phonetic Alphabet which pilots use from A to Z, Even though I am getting a job as a Air Traffic Controller willing to work at the Auckland Tower, I am going to know some extras like ICAO rules, getting to look at the Civil Aviation Act 1990, knowing the use and monitoring aircraft although flying them in FSX, then going to monitoring them in Real Life. I am going to be able to handle that busy airspace around Auckland, even about to work for Airways New Zealand which is based down at Christchurch which is your's and Marty's hometown. However it will be 2020 until when I get a job as a Air Traffic Controller as I have to do NCEA, go to Aviation school, then head down to Christchurch to train as a Air Traffic Controller then get a job as a Air Traffic Controller at the Auckland Tower, buzzing at the heavies and the not so heavies.

Zain how the hell can you say you are an aviation expert at 13 years old you are only just out of your napkins.
We have one member here who work in the NZAA control tower also members who fly commercial airlines and one I know of who is or was flying 747's
I myself although I don't fly now started flying way back in the early 1950s before you father was a twinkle in your grandfathers eye or could have almost been before you grandfather was a twinkle in you great grandfathers eye.
You are talking to mostly grown up mature people on this forum but yes we do have a minority of a few young immature members but most of them do not proses that at 13 years old they are experts with 10 or 20 years of aviation experience which you seem to be claiming as most aviation experts have had at the very least 10 years working in the aviation industry before they start claiming they are experts in the business.
I did sent you a PM a few days ago did you not read it?

My friend in Auckland's father - Geoff Rodliffe - was an expert on Pearse and heavily involved in the building of the airworthy replica of Pearse's flyer for the centenary.

Richard Pearse
Geoff Rodliffe

Personally, I've always thought it should be Pearse for the win.

Zain, you may be an "enthusiast" but your certainly not an "expert", let's just leave it at that

I have the book...."Richard Pearse and his Flying Machines, an anthology of research notes, essays and ideas." from the archives of C.G. Rodliffe, Auckland 2007.

A fascinating little edition full of plans, interviews, rare photos etc etc. Well worth looking for for those with "."an historic bent."

Having read it through a number of times, I also would not qualify as an expert....

Ian Warren wrote:

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all for have Mr Pearce being the first but other writings say he said the Wright's were the first .

"After all, there is nothing that succeeds like success, and for this reason pre-eminence will be undoubtedly be given to the Wright brothers, of America, when the history of the aeroplane is written, as they were the first to actually make successful flights with a motor-driven aeroplane." Richard Pearse, letter to the Evening Star, Dunedin, 10 May 1915.

"As the Wrights were the first to make a successful flight in a motor-driven aeroplane, they will be given pre-eminence when the history of the aeroplane is written." Richard Pearse, letter to the Star, Christchurch, 15 September 1928.

Pearse, by his own admission, did not dispute the Wright's claim to have made the first acceptable powered flight; all he wanted credit for was being the first to use a pneumatic-tyred tricycle undercarriage, a steerable nosewheel, ailerons, and direct transmission from engine to propeller.

AdrianPetford wrote:

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My friend in Auckland's father - Geoff Rodliffe - was an expert on Pearse and heavily involved in the building of the airworthy replica of Pearse's flyer for the centenary.

Richard Pearse
Geoff Rodliffe

Personally, I've always thought it should be Pearse for the win.

They are a couple of great links , I recall the documentary type series about Richard Pearce , pity they don't run it again on the one off the channels

Certainly is a lot book about one man , i wonder how the Smithsonian Institute or what they would say if they role all this data up and gave it to them to look at , don't hand the information the Aussies tho they'd want to claim him as their own .

ZK-LGD wrote:

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"After all, there is nothing that succeeds like success, and for this reason pre-eminence will be undoubtedly be given to the Wright brothers, of America, when the history of the aeroplane is written, as they were the first to actually make successful flights with a motor-driven aeroplane." Richard Pearse, letter to the Evening Star, Dunedin, 10 May 1915.

"As the Wrights were the first to make a successful flight in a motor-driven aeroplane, they will be given pre-eminence when the history of the aeroplane is written." Richard Pearse, letter to the Star, Christchurch, 15 September 1928.

Pearse, by his own admission, did not dispute the Wright's claim to have made the first acceptable powered flight; all he wanted credit for was being the first to use a pneumatic-tyred tricycle undercarriage, a steerable nosewheel, ailerons, and direct transmission from engine to propeller.

Thanks Dorian , i thought i read this bit many years ago , could recall from were , maybe in one of the books here .