Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:51 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:51 pmPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:58 pmSadly it doesn't seem to work for all flights (Qantas, ANZ)
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:05 pmI just searched up 'NZ1' and it worked fine- cool website Nick!
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:45 amTrolly wrote:QUOTE (Trolly @ Dec 29 2007, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I just searched up 'NZ1' and it worked fine- cool website Nick!
The big ones yes, but not all flights (domestic)
Nick
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:28 pmNZ255 wrote:QUOTE (NZ255 @ Dec 26 2007, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The big ones yes, but not all flights (domestic)
"Flight ID ANZ844 not found, or no aircraft matched your selected criteria.
Please note that, generally, aircraft can only be tracked if they are currently within US airspace."
Another example of the information gap that exists between NZ and the US with regard to online information.
Richard
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:35 pmWell, it was the US who locked down on the DAFIF data, making us pay for upgrades to our Nav systems (now through Navigraph; whereas before they were free through Navdata). So, their actions aren't all good...
Alex
Alex
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:05 pmAlex wrote:QUOTE (Alex @ Dec 26 2007, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, it was the US who locked down on the DAFIF data, making us pay for upgrades to our Nav systems (now through Navigraph; whereas before they were free through Navdata). So, their actions aren't all good...
Alex
I could be wrong but I didn't think that was why navdata stopped making the data available for free (?). There was actually a time after the US pulled access to DAFIF data when they were still releasing updated AIRAC cycle data at navdata.at. The charging and name change came later. I seem to recall it was Richard Stefan getting tired of co-ordinating updates all for a free service and deciding to charge for his work, but reading over at Navigraph about the change it seems they have a slightly different take on things. You could be right.
What I was referring to was sites like NOAA/NWS where you can get some really detailed weather info for almost anywhere in the US. Their METARs are sometimes updated half-hourly and all airports have automatic weather systems, giving 24/7 access to real weather. Australia is the same, mind you. Their METARs are always half-hourly.
Flight tracking on US-only flights is another example
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:59 pmI thought Richard was getting the free data through DAFIF, and that they stopped making it public.
Also, just an excerpt from a Wikipedia perhaps shedding a little light on the situation...
Also, just an excerpt from a Wikipedia perhaps shedding a little light on the situation...
QUOTE
DAFIF was publicly available until October 2006 through the Internet, however it was closed to public access because 'increased numbers of foreign source providers are claiming intellectual property rights or are forewarning NGA that they intend to copyright their source'.[1] Currently only Federal and State government agencies, authorized government contractors and Department of Defense customers are able to access the DAFIF data.
At the time of the announcement, the NGA did not say who the 'foreign source providers' were. It was subsequently revealed that the Australian Government was behind the move. The Australian Government Corporation Air Services Australia in September 2003 started charging for access to Australian data. Rather than exclude the Australian data, the NGA opted to stop making the data available to the public.[2][/quote]
I was under the impression that Navigraph was already able to access the data (or some similar set-up involving Richard?)?
Although, I admit it seems it wasn't directly their fault, rather some other guys who got a little possessive of their airspace data...
Alex
At the time of the announcement, the NGA did not say who the 'foreign source providers' were. It was subsequently revealed that the Australian Government was behind the move. The Australian Government Corporation Air Services Australia in September 2003 started charging for access to Australian data. Rather than exclude the Australian data, the NGA opted to stop making the data available to the public.[2][/quote]
I was under the impression that Navigraph was already able to access the data (or some similar set-up involving Richard?)?
Although, I admit it seems it wasn't directly their fault, rather some other guys who got a little possessive of their airspace data...
Alex
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:42 pmAlex wrote:QUOTE (Alex @ Dec 27 2007, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I thought Richard was getting the free data through DAFIF, and that they stopped making it public.
Also, just an excerpt from a Wikipedia perhaps shedding a little light on the situation...
I was under the impression that Navigraph was already able to access the data (or some similar set-up involving Richard?)?
Although, I admit it seems it wasn't directly their fault, rather some other guys who got a little possessive of their airspace data...
Alex
That's interesting Alex. I didn't realise Navigraph were already accessing the data. Yeah there is a bit of misinformation around the real reasons behind the demise of free 'navdata'. At the time it was announced that the DAFIF was no longer going to be available as of november 05, people jumped to conclusions, stating that it was a 'national security' thing (anti-terrorism). Reading the reasons behind it, it's all about other countries who copyrighted their data.
Navigation data is a silly thing to copyright IMHO. It's like charging money for weather reports and forecasts. In a life or death situation, I'd hate to be told "no you can't have this information because you haven't paid your subscription"!