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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:49 pm
by ardypilot
Pilots risk being blinded by laser attacks on passenger-filled aircraft, with Wellington airport the most dangerous in the country, aviation authorities have warned.

The Civil Aviation Authority said Wellington International Airport was the most "popular" for attacks on planes, due to flight paths and the airport's proximity to houses.

In a rare prosecution, a Wellington man has been charged with pointing a green laser into the cockpit of a commercial jet with 49 passengers on March 4 as it came into land from Christchurch.

Figures that the CAA has released to The Dominion Post show a 321 per cent increase in laser attacks in the past 18 months.

They usually involve someone pointing a high-powered green laser into cockpits, sometimes from as far away as five kilometres.

The lasers, which are slightly larger than a ballpoint pen and emit a neon green beam, are typically used by tour guides and people giving presentations to point at objects from a distance.

A man, 24, was charged in Wellington District Court yesterday with committing criminal nuisance by shining a green laser into the cockpit of a commercial aircraft knowing it would endanger life. He pleaded not guilty.

CAA spokesman Bill Sommer said pilots usually reported lasers coming from Newlands, Mt Victoria and Miramar.

"The distraction comes at a time where the pilot already has a very high workload, especially coming into Wellington airport. There's a concern for eye damage but more so for the distraction."

Pilots reported cockpits to be "bathed in green" during an attack, which could last for minutes at a time.

Paul Lyons, the Air Line Pilots' Association aviation security coordinator, said the attacks were most dangerous at night when pilots prepared for landing by turning down the cockpit lighting.

"The laser illuminates the whole deck. If a pilot is looking in the direction of the laser then they experience lost vision momentarily. If both pilots are looking in that direction, there is the potential loss of control of the whole aircraft."

Laser attacks had been a concern to airlines for almost 10 years, and attacks "seemed to be on the increase", said Mr Lyons, a former commercial pilot.

"There's probably two reasons why. Lasers are more readily available on the Internet and, as technology changes, their capability increases."

Mr Sommer confirmed that the CAA has had 35 reports of laser incidents since 1999, almost 70 per cent of them in Wellington. The latest reported was on April 3.

"Most of the reports of laser attacks to the CAA have come from major airlines. Wellington airport is virtually in the middle of the city, and the approach goes right over Newlands and near Mt Vic," he said.

"The people who are doing it, these guys are idiots. I don't know why they do it. Perhaps they watch too many movies.

"I see no reason why any sane person would want to do it."

Mr Lyons agreed: "I don't think they appreciate the dangers. I would hate to think there were members of society who would like to bring a plane down."

A Marlborough Sounds man pleaded guilty this month to endangering public safety by aiming a laser beam at Interislander ferries in Tory Channel.


Society has reached an all new low dry.gif

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:55 pm
by yak52dude
I saw something like this on yahoo today what kind of half witt would do such a thing.
I mean at the end of the day was it worth it and what type person are you. dots.gif smiliz2.png smiliz2.png smiliz2.png angry.gif

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:04 pm
by Charl
Yeah they had the same problem at Kingsford Smith a while ago.
They had a massive ad campaign and it seems to have worked - I'm sure most of the folk just aren't thinking when they do this.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:44 pm
by TimG
Charl wrote:
QUOTE (Charl @ Jun 14 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sure most of the folk just aren't thinking when they do this.

I sure hope they're not.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:47 pm
by Daniel
It's a stupid thing to do. The fact is as long as there are humans on Earth there will be a few no brainers.
There are some who don't have anything else to do other than causing trouble and grief.
I also heard about the Sydney thing a while ago. It's a real shame that people do this.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:56 pm
by NZ255
Sure is stupid, imagine the feeling if you took down a whole plane full of people.

There was a episode on CSI Miami, about this green laser and planes. Are these lasers illegal? If not they should be!

I'd love to see that ad campaign, does anyone knows if its on youtube?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:57 pm
by Anthony
People who do this really are stupid. There are always some though.

Regardless of the fact that it could be putting people's lives in danger, and endangering millions of dollars worth of hardware (ie the aircraft) what would be the point? Do they actually have anything to gain from shining a laser at an aircraft?
It surely can't be that 'thrilling' or a lot of 'fun'.

No wonder certain airports can take an anti-spotter or anti-photographer stance - I can't blame them really.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:22 pm
by victor_alpha_charlie
Those lasers are awesome! But shining them at planes? WTH?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:04 pm
by greaneyr
Before I begin, let me point out that I agree with everyone here. This kind of behaviour is incredibly stupid. As has already been said, how would they feel if an aircraft crashed and killed everyone on-board as a result? They don't think about that, I'm positive.

I think this kind of behaviour stems from a desire to have 'control' or 'power' over something that can be controlled. You could point a laser beam at the waves crashing into Lyall Bay, but the reality is, they're not going to change their movement because of a laser beam. Why? Because they can't be controlled. An aircraft can't be controlled by someone watching from on the ground... For decades, people on the ground have been watching aircraft come in to land and known that, although they are being flown by a human, their movements will be largely predictable. Maybe that holds an elusive challenge for some? How to make something predictable and stable 'move' and say "I did that".

Like I say, I'm not condoning it at all. I'm almost certain the people doing this don't consider the consequences. They want their 2 seconds of fame. They probably want the aircraft to bank left and right rapidly, or maybe even go around. They want to be able to say "I caused that".

I dunno, I could be wrong. Probably in all likelihood the majority of culprits are children. I did similar kinds of things when I was a kid that I now look back on and think "what were you thinking???".

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:20 pm
by Peppermint
The people who do it probably have no damn clue how hard it is to fly a plane while trying to land. Complete idiots who need to be educated. Laser attacks gone up? I don't think the media reporting on the attacks in Australia would have helped...

The lasers obviously aren't those $2-10 ones you find at the $2 shop or wharehouse, but I think these are the ones they're talking about..

http://ledbulbs.co.nz/product_info.php/cPa...8393518b7bf3095

'This lasers is powerful enough to burn holes in black plastic bags.' 'A Direct hit with the beam may cause permanent eye damage.' With things like this, I'm surprised it's not classed as a weapon needing a firearms license to use. Lasers like this SHOULD need some sort of license to use, seeing as they're so powerful. I can understand if it was a few kids that done something like this, but a 24 year old?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:30 pm
by NZ255
greaneyr wrote:
QUOTE (greaneyr @ Jun 14 2008, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Before I begin, let me point out that I agree with everyone here. This kind of behaviour is incredibly stupid. As has already been said, how would they feel if an aircraft crashed and killed everyone on-board as a result? They don't think about that, I'm positive.

I think this kind of behaviour stems from a desire to have 'control' or 'power' over something that can be controlled. You could point a laser beam at the waves crashing into Lyall Bay, but the reality is, they're not going to change their movement because of a laser beam. Why? Because they can't be controlled. An aircraft can't be controlled by someone watching from on the ground... For decades, people on the ground have been watching aircraft come in to land and known that, although they are being flown by a human, their movements will be largely predictable. Maybe that holds an elusive challenge for some? How to make something predictable and stable 'move' and say "I did that".

Like I say, I'm not condoning it at all. I'm almost certain the people doing this don't consider the consequences. They want their 2 seconds of fame. They probably want the aircraft to bank left and right rapidly, or maybe even go around. They want to be able to say "I caused that".

I dunno, I could be wrong. Probably in all likelihood the majority of culprits are children. I did similar kinds of things when I was a kid that I now look back on and think "what were you thinking???".

Yeah, I completly agree, and think this is the case

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:37 pm
by NZ255
Peppermint wrote:
QUOTE (Peppermint @ Jun 14 2008, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The lasers obviously aren't those $2-10 ones you find at the $2 shop or wharehouse, but I think these are the ones they're talking about..

http://ledbulbs.co.nz/product_info.php/cPa...8393518b7bf3095

Hum, I think it could even be this one :here. I don't see a teenager or who ever spending 160 buck on a laser. Anyway this one would do the job: Range of approximately 9,000 ft (2600 m) in darkness.
The 50mW one said "This laser is too bright to be used on a white board or reflective tv screen. For presentations only the <5mW green laser should be used"
QUOTE (Trolly)
The lasers, which are slightly larger than a ballpoint pen and emit a neon green beam, are typically used by tour guides and people giving presentations to point at objects from a distance.[/quote]

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:05 am
by mfraser
And Australia and Wellington aren't the only places with these types of idiots..... I've had three instances of 'laser attacks' reported to me while on watch at Hamilton Tower. Two by pilots of the late night A320 arrival and one by the crew of a B1900. We file a report to the CAA and inform the NZ Police - who of course put it at the bottom of their priority list, as tracking these morons down is like finding the proverbial in a haystack. I'm pleased but surprised to see they've actually managed to make a couple of prosecutions! And you're right greaneyr and Charl - it is most likely children or teenagers and a widespread education campaign would definitely be of benefit!

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:49 am
by creator2003
They should ban the sale of lasers at 2 dollar shops full stop ,ive had them in my house after the kids have brought them and they have tryed shining them in my eyes and the animals i have around my little zoo ,i just take them off them and put them snapped in the rubbish bin ... angry.gif
I would class this behavior as attempted murder on a mass scale so make sure its advertised this way throughout NZ with a max 100 years ,for those who want to be idiots know exactly what they are looking forward too ..
lasers like these should only be sold to companys/ppls etc for the uses they were designed for just like guns ..
its dumb to think they havent got this sorted yet dry.gif

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:17 am
by NZ255
QUOTE
Qantas flight from Melbourne hit by laser

June 09, 2008 01:51pm

A QANTAS pilot flying a Boeing 747 from Melbourne to Sydney last night has become the latest target of a laser light attack.

The plane was perparing to land at Sydney airport when a green laser was shone at the aircraft about 8.30pm, the Australian Federal Police said.

A NSW police spokesman said the laser light was spotted in an area between inner-city Kings Cross and Royal Sydney Golf Course in Sydney's east.

The incident follows two laser light attacks in Sydney on Saturday.

The Federal Government announced last month it would ban imports of high-intensity laser pointers following a spate of laser attacks on pilots.

The ban will become effective on July 1.

State and territory police ministers will discuss laser attacks at a meeting on June 13.
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If they're banning them across the ditch, won't be long now...

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...938-662,00.html

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:32 am
by Anthony
NZ255 wrote:
QUOTE (NZ255 @ Jun 15 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If they're banning them across the ditch, won't be long now...


Good. If there's a reason for someone to have one of these and use it, eg tour guides, then fine they can have it.
But other than that, the sale of these should be restricted or they should be banned.

Sort of like use it properly or lose it. In this case some people decided not to use it properly, so they lose the use of it altogether and so does anyone else who has a reason to use one.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:43 pm
by yak52dude
Anthony wrote:
QUOTE (Anthony @ Jun 15 2008, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good. If there's a reason for someone to have one of these and use it, eg tour guides, then fine they can have it.
But other than that, the sale of these should be restricted or they should be banned.

Sort of like use it properly or lose it. In this case some people decided not to use it properly, so they lose the use of it altogether and so does anyone else who has a reason to use one.

yeah i think they are restricted 16 or something like that at the moment but doesn't look like thats gonna do much as we've seen.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:06 pm
by creator2003
QUOTE
restricted 16[/quote]thats why my 10-7 years old boys can just buy them down the road at the 2 dollar shop still if i let them why not just put a pack of cigs and some beer aswell in the purchase so they really feel like bringing down planes ,its just to PC in this world that makes it the way it is now ..
Really slack of our so called leaders to let this cr@p happen to NZ, shame on them for the BS they spin and nothing gets done about anything ,all talk and no do unless it effects there lives not ours..
When is nzers going to stand up to these lieing no good people and stop being little sheep with in our country , the sevices within our land is a joke and china and other lands should be a exsample to what is good to a country minus the building and smoge, and over the top laws ofcourse,

respect for others and taking responsiblties for your on actions would be a good start ,people who break the rulz should be given the penalty for the action and made to make it up and fix what they have done by paying or working for the familys theyve effected or go to jail...

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:12 pm
by travnz
I had one hit me when i was night flying once. I was doing orbits round the sky tower and I must have pissed this guy off or something so he kept shining the laser. I rebounded off the wing and into the plane, very bright. Needless to say I vacated quickly back to AR for some circuits.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:48 pm
by victor_alpha_charlie
creator2003 wrote:
QUOTE (creator2003 @ Jun 15 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thats why my 10-7 years old boys can just buy them down the road at the 2 dollar shop


Those are just the crappy red ones, they can't do anywhere near as much damage as the green $350 ones which are the subject of the 'attacks' most of the time.