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Naki wrote:

QUOTE (Naki @ Jul 14 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes I guess that would be an issue - I have read somewhere that there is a 40% lower fuel burn over the 737-300 - if that was the case and I was an airline executive I would be looking hard at this one. The C Series has new engines from Pratt & Whitney GTFs (Geared Turbo Fan)

Freight not PAX makes the money for airlines ... they did say how much better the 320 was in fuel savings ... WHOOPs .. snot always right

Yep the geared turbo fan does look really good from an operator's perspective.
The only competition to the GTF looks to be the UDF (unducted fan?), which is a bit like a turboprop in some ways, especially looks but nowhere near as good as the GTF.

The GTf is also the engine on the MItsubishi regional jet. I think PW have a winner on their hands as the GTF looks like an excellent performer.
Pratt and Whitney are pushing the GTF versus Rolls Royce and GE who are behind the UDF.

Anthony wrote:

QUOTE (Anthony @ Jul 14 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

UDF (unducted fan?),

30 years ago they were looking at and testing the UDF , found fuel was lesser , dynamic shape had to be changed to cut the sound ... idea for the future is to built HBP ratio at 13/14:1 rated at 50.000 lb stactic and change the design the conventional shape of aircraft rather than a used design , the fact is work need to be started on engine pre 2000 , then saying the panic was'nt on back then , but today ... oops

Air NZ cant buy any more Airbus, they signed some agreement with Boeing saying they wouldnt

Reminds me of an Embraer, I hope they do buy some

benwynn wrote:

QUOTE (benwynn @ Jul 14 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Air NZ cant buy any more Airbus, they signed some agreement with Boeing saying they wouldnt

Reminds me of an Embraer, I hope they do buy some

Have they really signed an agreement with boeing that they can't get airbus'?
That is crazy! Shouldn't they keep their options open?
How long does the agreement go on for?

Not sure, Im not even sure its true, its just what I have herd. I just think Boeing got a bit angry when they went out and bought the A320 instead of the new 737 NG, when they had a full boeing fleet!

Well doesn't Air NZ have a specialised 737 Maintenance facility in NZCH (So I think I was told)?

Also Boeing has been great and loyal and the 700 series 737 would be the way to go in my opinion (for starters all our airports that serve jets are made to serve 737's plus think of all the retraining plus there's the agreement with Boeing...)

Look at Qantas. They used to fly the 400 series domestically (in Aus) then recently upgraded to the 800 with half the fleet being 400's and half 800's and so far so good for them. Virgin Blue did the same (although they only had 400's for a short while) I doubt that Air NZ would go for the Bombardiers (although who am I to say I don't work for Air NZ)

Again I'd go for the 700's in the same way that the 300's were bought in on top of the 200's.

Ian Warren wrote:

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jul 14 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

30 years ago they were looking at and testing the UDF , found fuel was lesser , dynamic shape had to be changed to cut the sound ... idea for the future is to built HBP ratio at 13/14:1 rated at 50.000 lb stactic and change the design the conventional shape of aircraft rather than a used design , the fact is work need to be started on engine pre 2000 , then saying the panic was'nt on back then , but today ... oops

Hmm the unducted fan - tested on the MD-80 and 727 - wonder if it will be resurrected?

Air NZ signing an agreemnet not to buy Airbuses? - doesnt sound right to me.

My image above of the C series is bit out of date - heres a more recent one

It looks quite similar to the 787
If Air NZ did replace the 733s with 737 NGs what models would be best for NZ?
They could get a say 12 737 700s and a few more 737 800s and put the larger ones on strong routes.
The 738's could also do international services and put capacity out of Wellington and Christchurch.
Kelburn raises some good points about Air NZ's maintanace at CHC and the retraining crews.
The pilot's love flying the 737s and they are a great aeroplane for New Zealand.
I hope they stay with Boeing as the new 737s with winglets look fantastic

Daniel wrote:

QUOTE (Daniel @ Jul 15 2008, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

a few more 737 800s and put the larger ones on strong routes.
The 738's could also do international services and put capacity out of Wellington and Christchurch.

That's why ANZ have near-new A320s though.

Yer I've heard about the agreement with Boeing too.
I think it was a memorandum of understanding that Air NZ would look to Boeing for future fleet purchases andpretty much give Airbus the skip.
I'm not sure that it actually happened, but it's possible that it did - American airlines like Delta have had longstanding 'gentleman's agreements' with Boeing about not purchasing Airbus as well.
In return, Boeing probably gave them a good deal on aircraft purchases, spares, replacements, etc and has offered to do the same in the future.
There was also a tie up between Boeing, Bombardier and Air NZ that partly resulted in the Q300 purchase if I remember correctly.