Jetstar NZ domestic coming

[Anthony]

Hey

I know there's been lots of Jetstar threads (the last one was October 2008 though) but:

As of mid this year, JetStar will be operating NZ domestic flights.

Routes as follows:
*Auckland – Christchurch (6 times daily)
*Auckland – Wellington (3 times daily)
*Auckland – Queenstown (Daily)
*Christchurch – Wellington (Daily)
*Christchurch – Queenstown (Daily)

You'll see that Rotorua is not in there, effectively ending our jet services once Jetconnect goes.
Air NZ have dropped them, and Jetconnect will cease to operate domestic as of the 9th of June this year to concentrate on Tasman services.
RRAL and the council will not be happy.

Source - PPRUNE here
Source - Jetstar here

Anthony

[benwynn]

Great for AKL,WLG,CHC and ZQN which will see a lot more competition and low fares. But bad for Rotorua

QUOTE

Jetstar's entry onto domestic routes will mean almost a third more seats than with Qantas but will result in the withdrawal of services from Rotorua.

Qantas flies five times a week out of the city but Jetstar said there were payload restrictions on the bigger planes it would operate.[/quote] Our runway is due to be finished by some time in June to about 2200 metres or something. That will allow A320s to operate on international route which be much heavier due to the large amounts of fuel onboard. Hopefully they will release a second batch of destinations with Rotorua being inclueded

Pacific Blue and Jetstar will really be battling it out on the trunk routes.

Last edited by Daniel on Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Kelburn]

Where will they park in Wellington...? We have (domestic wise) 7 gates - 10,11,16,17,21,22,23.
Gates 10,11,16 and 17 are for Air New Zealand that means 21,22 and 23 have to be shared between three airlines and 23 is used for international as well!

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (Kelburn @ Feb 17 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where will they park in Wellington...? We have (domestic wise) 7 gates - 10,11,16,17,21,22,23.
Gates 10,11,16 and 17 are for Air New Zealand that means 21,22 and 23 have to be shared between three airlines and 23 is used for international as well!

They're replacing JC so wherever they are at the moment.

[benwynn]

Hopefully this means JetConnect will start getting rid off the 734s and bring in some 738s from mainline.

Good news for the NZ market, very cheap fares!

[AlisterC]

So who here got tickets?
I got fares to Auckland for work, but also got a flight down to Queenstown for lunch and back on a saturday. Two seats, there and back, all up $12
That includes an $8 credit card charge

[Rebound]

Qantas are planning on replacing older 737's with 737-800's. The Qantas aircraft are being repainted in the new Qantas colours too i believe. The relaunch is a marketing ploy for Jetstar but the competition is good.

[benwynn]

You mean Qantas or JetConnect? I realise most of the QF Mainline 734s are going to jetconnect as they get rid of the 733s, but im wondering about the 737-800s being transferred over to operate trans-tasmans.

[Rebound]

QUOTE (benwynn @ Feb 17 2009, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You mean Qantas or JetConnect? I realise most of the QF Mainline 734s are going to jetconnect as they get rid of the 733s, but im wondering about the 737-800s being transferred over to operate trans-tasmans.

I heard they will 'phase then out', sorry when i said Qantas i mean't Jetconnect, i never really differentiate the 2 when talking about them. Also more talks that Qantas and their trans-tasman flights could seize when the Jetstar 787 comes into play

[A185F]

Jetconnect are GONBURGER !
I fell sorry for the staff that wont transfer over to Jetstar....
It's all on stuff website somewhere

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (benwynn @ Feb 17 2009, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hopefully this means JetConnect will start getting rid off the 734s and bring in some 738s from mainline.

Good news for the NZ market, very cheap fares!

Shouldn't that read "Great news for the Auckland/Wellington/Christchurch/Queenstown market, very cheap fares!" ?

This announcement does the same for me as Pacific Blue's announcement years ago - makes me ask "so?". For people outside those centres, which are the same centres to always get new carriers/services etc, there's absolutely nothing to be gained from all this. In fact, if anything it quite possibly means our fares will increase further in price.

To all those who live in the provinces, do you guys ever feel like the airlines are quietly just wishing we would all go away, and are slowly brushing us aside? I know the provincial sectors aren't always the most economical to operate, but why is that our fault? They need to change their model so they can service more than 4 cities economically in that case.

Grrr.

I really feel for Rotorua. Been there, done that. Know how it feels. Not a nice feeling,

[Rebound]

Basically what you said, gradually prices will rise and balance out, Jetstar will simply just replace Qantas and its aging fleet in NZ. In saying that its about time they also replaced some of their aircraft and hopefully reliability will be better. Who knows, maybe those in charge of the operations of Jetstar in NZ will have more success than Qantas (JetConnect).

Overall i will continue to us Air NZ for its flexibility on timings on main trunkline routes as well as link, and the FFer bonus with car rentals + minimum milage with BMI Diamond Club provides a lot more benefit over time.

[AlisterC]

These four destinations cover (according to Wiki) 2,087,742 people - almost half the population of NZ. It makes business sense really.. After all, remember Jetstar are going to (in effect) support the Qantas international operation departing from these airports. Not to mention internal tourist and business passengers.
I'm sorry for you other 2,210,108 people living out in other towns of course!

[dask77]

QUOTE (greaneyr @ Feb 22 2009, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Shouldn't that read "Great news for the Auckland/Wellington/Christchurch/Queenstown market, very cheap fares!" ?

This announcement does the same for me as Pacific Blue's announcement years ago - makes me ask "so?". For people outside those centres, which are the same centres to always get new carriers/services etc, there's absolutely nothing to be gained from all this. In fact, if anything it quite possibly means our fares will increase further in price.

To all those who live in the provinces, do you guys ever feel like the airlines are quietly just wishing we would all go away, and are slowly brushing us aside? I know the provincial sectors aren't always the most economical to operate, but why is that our fault? They need to change their model so they can service more than 4 cities economically in that case.

Grrr.

I really feel for Rotorua. Been there, done that. Know how it feels. Not a nice feeling,

i totally agree with u greaneyr isnt it about time other airport that are capable of takeing jet eg palmy north rotorua get cheap fare airlines flying out of them to

[HardCorePawn]

QUOTE (A185F @ Feb 17 2009, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Jetconnect are GONBURGER !
I fell sorry for the staff that wont transfer over to Jetstar....
It's all on stuff website somewhere

Not exactly... they have around 20 pilots and about 30 cabin crew in the CHC base who will be affected by this... I hear they will try to offer placements in other JetConnect bases (ie. AKL or WEL)... Due to increased Tasman flying, apaprently they will need at least another 50 cabin crew... not sure about the pilots, but I'm sure they'll need more tech crew as well.

JetConnect is to get 3x 738's between Sept-Nov 2009... and all their 733's are being 'retired' by end of Nov 2009 (Kelburn, maybe you can pick up one on the cheap )... new 738's coming on board as 734's are retired...

Given that Qantas are giving JetConnect NG's and more Tasman flying, I doubt they'll be going anywhere soon... I heard a theory that they prefer NZ-basings for the Tasman flying due to the time differences and airport curfews etc, as it means they don't have to pay the "away from home"-type allowances and accomodation etc for the crews who fly into NZ on the late flights and would have to overnight... I'm sure they probably don't get paid as much as the QF Mainline guys either

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (dask77 @ Feb 18 2009, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i totally agree with u greaneyr isnt it about time other airport that are capable of takeing jet eg palmy north rotorua get cheap fare airlines flying out of them to

Even if they're not full and the airlines are losing money? It may not be the case entirely for Air NZ because they are partly state-owned but Pac Blue and Jetstar/Qantas aren't serving NZ to help out the citizens. They're doing it to make money, so they'll obviously put the most emphasis on then routes that make the most money. If you don't like it, the best thing to do is move to a main centre

[Anthony]

You don't know until you've tried.

I think it's a shame that Jetstar haven't gone for Rotorua. By the time Jetconnect shuts down, Rotorua will be completely ready and waiting. We've had 2 jet services to Christchurch previously which have been successful. I'm hoping that they or Pacific Blue will pick Rotorua up later on.

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (Anthony @ Feb 18 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

By the time Jetconnect shuts down, Rotorua will be completely ready and waiting.

Yeah good point. I must admit, I did think the 'Jetstar will be servicing all destinations currently operated by Jetconnect, except for Rotorua where the runway is not long enough for the airline's Airbus A320 aircraft' argument was somewhat shortsighted and was more likely a front for another reason.

You know what else sucks? That when Jetconnect pull out of Rotorua, it will mean that not only will we not have any jet services operating in and out of Palmy, but we won't even get to see them overflying us enroute to/from Rotorua on a clear day! In fact, you won't ever hear jets on Ohakea control on a regular basis. So we've gone from having regular jets to Palmy and Napier, Rotorua and Hamilton, plus a whole bunch of Skyhawks and Macchis, then less domestic jets but more internationals, to no Skyhawks and Macchis, to no internationals but the prospect of the 757s relocating to Ohakea and the occasional jetconnect overflying us on the way to or from Rotorua, to nothing.

I'll have to cherish the 757's regular friday run even more now - it's the only damn jet in the central north island!

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (victor_alpha_charlie @ Feb 18 2009, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Even if they're not full and the airlines are losing money? It may not be the case entirely for Air NZ because they are partly state-owned but Pac Blue and Jetstar/Qantas aren't serving NZ to help out the citizens. They're doing it to make money, so they'll obviously put the most emphasis on then routes that make the most money. If you don't like it, the best thing to do is move to a main centre

I'd suggest you re-read the last sentence of my second to last paragraph. I know it's not economical to operate in and out of the provinces, but why is that the fault of those who live there? Who determined the airline's operating model, us or them? To those who argue 'why is it worth it?' the reality is that as Albatross pointed out, the provinces represent another Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch all put together, plus a bit more. The numbers are there, if you can only be bothered coming up with a way of moving them around the country economically. But therein lies the problem - most of them can't, and those that try generally end up getting consumed either by Air NZ or CAA.

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (greaneyr @ Feb 18 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'd suggest you re-read the last sentence of my second to last paragraph. I know it's not economical to operate in and out of the provinces, but why is that the fault of those who live there? Who determined the airline's operating model, us or them? To those who argue 'why is it worth it?' the reality is that as Albatross pointed out, the provinces represent another Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch all put together, plus a bit more. The numbers are there, if you can only be bothered coming up with a way of moving them around the country economically. But therein lies the problem - most of them can't, and those that try generally end up getting consumed either by Air NZ or CAA.

The problem I guess is that that part of the population is spread right around, = more planes = higher fuel/other costs = not profitable (or as profitable as main trunk)