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by **Duckman** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:17 am

Basically, what it will come down to is who's bigger. Thats the US of course, so I'd expect a couple of nukes being dropped in the next year or so....

by **ZK-KAG** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:38 am

Duckman wrote: Basically, what it will come down to is who's bigger. Thats the US of course, so I'd expect a couple of nukes being dropped in the next year or so....

Comments like that dont help positive discussion... <_<

Read back to Vietnam and see who was bigger and who won that conflict... What the hell are Nukes going to do??? :blink:

by **HardCorePawn** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:55 am

What the hell are Nukes going to do???

Turn the whole area into a giant glass bowl? <_<

seriously tho, there will never be a winner... there cannot be... unless one side completely eliminates the other... and by completely I mean women, children, close associates etc...

otherwise there will be someone left who will bear a grudge... which will eventually lead to the 3 R's... Retaliation, Retribution, Revenge

I cannot see the US committing complete genocide... the world would not stand for it (at least I would hope they do not!)...

And try as they might, I do not see the militants, Al Qaeda et al being able to defeat the might of the US.

Eventually what will happen is that the US will pull out claiming they have achieved what they wanted (regime change), while the militants will claim a hollow victory and then go back to killing each other.

Translation: No one wins, and thousands more will die for no real purpose.

by **Duckman** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:42 pm

Oh come on! Does George Bush really care what other people think now he's in his last term? He's got nothing to lose by blowing them away!!! :angry:

by **Duckman** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:46 pm

OK, so rather than who WILL win, who DESERVES to?

by **ZK-KAG** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:58 pm

Duckman wrote: Oh come on! Does George Bush really care what other people think now he's in his last term? He's got nothing to lose by blowing them away!!!

Mature...

by **Alcazarholic** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:10 pm

The militants

Definetely not america, when you think about they've caused all the problems in Iraq in the moment and while they stay there the problems are going to get worse so I reckon that the militants deserve to win more than the US at least they'll put some kind of order in place and stop all the bombings :ph43r:

by **SUBS17** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:27 pm

Duckman wrote: Basically, what it will come down to is who's bigger. Thats the US of course, so I'd expect a couple of nukes being dropped in the next year or so....

Highly unlikely Nukes would only ever be used if Nukes were used against the west. Thats how Nukes are used nowdays as a deterent or in retaliation to NBC weapons being used on friendly forces as such the threat of nuclear retaliation is the main reason why Saddam never used any of his stockpile of Biological or chemical weapons during the Gulf war. The use of any such weapon in that area would be extremely bad not only for the middle east but also Europe as the winds would carry the fallout quite far. It would also destabilise the entire region.

by **SUBS17** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:36 pm

Duckman wrote: OK, so rather than who WILL win, who DESERVES to?

Well I'm hoping things might someday quieten down over there if the Iraqi army seals off its borders and has a major crackdown on radicalism that could happen and then the US would most definately leave and the country would have a positive future. If the US left tommorrow I think it would be a disaster, Iran would probably invade Iraq and so to would Syria. Iraq would then become worse than what it was during Saddams era and the people of Iraq would suffer.

by **ZKTOM** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:03 pm

OK, so rather than who WILL win, who DESERVES to?

Gotta be the militants. When you think about it, they have lasted 4 years so far against one of the srongest armies in the world and they are getting away with so much stuff.Eg. Jihad, suicide bombings, kidnappings etc.

by **Kelburn** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:05 pm

I say the militants as George Bush has been like a school bully to them except he's getting his friends to do the dirty work

by **ZKTOM** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:17 pm

I don't think George Bush is a big player. Yes he authorised the invasion but if you want to know why its so bad. See what the US soldiers are doing over there.

Go to youtube and watch some of the videos posted by US troops.

by **Alex** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:19 pm

Neither does (but there are more than two sides).

Alex

by **Duckman** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:57 pm

It's definately the militants who deserve to win, it's their country that has been invaded, so they have rights to flipping keep it! As far as USA withdrawing, I'd say do it right away before things get a lot worse.

by **ZK-Brock** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:26 pm

Duckman wrote: It's definately the militants who deserve to win, it's their country that has been invaded, so they have rights to flipping keep it! As far as USA withdrawing, I'd say do it right away before things get a lot worse.

This is my first and probably only post in this thread...anywho

The USA don't "want" Iraq - the "militants" - a mix of Iraqis and all the various Arab factions - will keep it. I think you have been misinformed about the situation over there. The USA entered Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein and seek out weapons of mass destruction that would be a threat to the western world. Unfortunately for the US no weapons of mass destruction were found, but they did remove Saddam hussein from power, because of the Human rights atrocities he had committed.

The US's attempts to establish democratic govt in Iraq has been unsuccessful unfortunately, creating an unstable political situation. Sunni Muslims now fight Shiite muslims who fight other religious and political factions, creating a big mess.

This is my understanding of the conflict, if I'm wrong, say so, ignorance doesn't make for good forum discussion, hopefully I've helped your understanding Duckman.

by **Alex** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:29 pm

ZK-Brock wrote: This is my first and probably only post in this thread...anywho

The USA don't "want" Iraq - the "militants" - a mix of Iraqis and all the various Arab factions - will keep it. I think you have been misinformed about the situation over there. The USA entered Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein and seek out weapons of mass destruction that would be a threat to the western world. Unfortunately for the US no weapons of mass destruction were found, but they did remove Saddam hussein from power, because of the Human rights atrocities he had committed.

The US's attempts to establish democratic govt in Iraq has been unsuccessful unfortunately, creating an unstable political situation. Sunni Muslims now fight Shiite muslims who fight other religious and political factions, creating a big mess.

This is my understanding of the conflict, if I'm wrong, say so, ignorance doesn't make for good forum discussion, hopefully I've helped your understanding Duckman.

That sounds pretty good to me Brock, thanks for posting that.

Alex

by **SUBS17** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:15 am

ZKTOM wrote:
OK, so rather than who WILL win, who DESERVES to?

Gotta be the militants. When you think about it, they have lasted 4 years so far against one of the srongest armies in the world and they are getting away with so much stuff.Eg. Jihad, suicide bombings, kidnappings etc.

It would definately be a sad day for humanity if the Militants did win as the worst possible government would rule Iraq the people would most definately suffer and the guy at the top would take all the money. Once any such organisation is successful in Iraq do you think the war would end?...no it wouldn't as Global domination is their goal and that is the reality of their intentions.

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