Boeing 787 Dreamliner incident - onboard fire

[deeknow]

wowza, bit of an incident yesterday, all ok and landed safely, some work to do tho...

EVERETT, Wash., Nov. 10, 2010 /PRNewswire/ -- During approach to Laredo, Texas, yesterday, aeroplane ZA002 lost primary electrical power as a result of an onboard electrical fire. Backup systems, including the deployment of the Ram Air Turbine (RAT), functioned as expected and allowed the crew to complete a safe landing. The cause of the fire is still under investigation by Boeing.

see: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1513

[Ian Warren]

I hope they demo the type when it first arrives in country and give us a chance to look it over , but least no serious injury or any in the program yet.

I recall 5/6 back years over two dozen were injured when testing escape systems for the A380 , and the recent engine problem , the A380 and B787 both spawn their work out , contractors from every part off the globe , guess they are both having very same problems equal to the early Jet transport era this time its all plastic and computers .

[IslandBoy77]

This dreamliner that Boeing has been working on for a while now really seems determined to have a number of glitches and "gotchas" along it's development path. It might be that I'm just more aware of the development of the 787, but it sure seems to have made life "interesting" for Boeing. Can anyone else comment on this? Did Airbus have same, more or less problems with the 380? Not that the 380 is in the same class, but it's the most recent of the Airbus series I could think of...

[Naki]

in short yes..they had lots of problems with the A380 and the whole programme was a few years late...most IIRC of the problems related to wiring and weight problems

[dbcunnz]

Singapore Airlines grounds A380s for engine changes
THOMAS HUNTER AND MATT O'SULLIVAN - Sydney Morning Herald
The fallout from Qantas's A380 mid-air emergency has escalated after Singapore Airlines today took three of its superjumbos out of service to replace their Rolls Royce engines.
Singapore Airlines grounded the aircraft for "precautionary engine changes" over concerns raised during inspections, an airline spokeswoman said today.
One aircraft in Melbourne, one in Sydney and another in London have been forbidden to fly until the engines are replaced.
"Based on further analysis of inspection findings as the investigation into last week's [Qantas] incident progresses, we are going to be carrying out precautionary engine changes on three of our A380s," the spokeswoman said.
"That explains the aircraft change out of Melbourne this morning, and that's also going to impact our A380 fight out of Sydney at 4.30pm. We apologise for any disruption this causes."
The spokeswoman said the delay to Melbourne passengers would be "about two hours" and travellers would be put on the airline's later services.
The airline said that Rolls-Royce had recommended further detailed inspections of three engines - one on each aircraft - as a "result of oil staining".
"This is to ensure that the cause of the oil staining can be determined," a spokesman said.
Qantas has grounded its fleet of six Airbus A380 aircraft until at least late tomorrow, after the investigation into last Thursday's near-disaster was narrowed to oil leaks in the turbines.
Just two days ago, Singapore Airlines had said that it had carried out checks on all of the engines used on its A380s late last week and had "absolutely no findings of concern".
Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa had been operating their A380s, which use the same Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines as Qantas, after the incident involving QF32 last Thursday.
Qantas has said that engines on its A380s operated on a "slightly higher" power rating than the other two airlines' Trent 900s, and whether this was relevant to last week's incident was being investigated.

[IslandBoy77]

So what do you reckon, team? Why are these new aircraft seemingly fraught with bugs? Some here have been watching aviation far longer than I - are these problems with development & design spasmodic things, inherent to the industry as a whole, or what? I know that there have been "problem" aircraft through the decades (Marauder "Widow-Maker", Comet, Westland Whirlwind are 3 that come to mind immediately) - again, could it be the info just being more readily available? I see that there is outsourcing going on with aircraft manufacture - is that a new phenomenon or has that always taken place? In computers, outsourcing usually = lower quality and cheaper parts (and often worse margins for someone along the way). Is this also true of aircraft outsourcing? I remember someone joking once about the space shuttle being built by the lowest bidder - more truth to that in aeronautical circles than what might be comfortable?

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Naki @ Nov 11 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

e problems related to wiring and weight problems

This is an area i no a little about , in wiring looms you have to be careful in not generating a charge , the cable starts talking , the build up then causes problem

[Naki]

QUOTE (IslandBoy77 @ Nov 11 2010, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So what do you reckon, team? Why are these new aircraft seemingly fraught with bugs? Some here have been watching aviation far longer than I - are these problems with development & design spasmodic things, inherent to the industry as a whole, or what? I know that there have been "problem" aircraft through the decades (Marauder "Widow-Maker", Comet, Westland Whirlwind are 3 that come to mind immediately) - again, could it be the info just being more readily available? I see that there is outsourcing going on with aircraft manufacture - is that a new phenomenon or has that always taken place? In computers, outsourcing usually = lower quality and cheaper parts (and often worse margins for someone along the way). Is this also true of aircraft outsourcing? I remember someone joking once about the space shuttle being built by the lowest bidder - more truth to that in aeronautical circles than what might be comfortable?

Outsourcing has been going for years with aircraft..while that may be an issue in quality in some instances; in my view the recnt issues of aircaft fraught with bugs is that they are sod arn complicated...ie fly by wire controls, composite construction etc, etc. I know Boeing had problems with outsiurced parts been maed not metting their standards or not been delivered in time.