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Postby cowpatz » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:46 am

This is an excellent article that raises many issues with the Concorde disaster at Le Bourget airport, France, 2000.
I have known of some of the issues but there are other revelations that I was not aware of.
An interesting read. View here.
Remember the 50-50-90 rule. Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong!

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Postby IslandBoy77 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:25 pm

Very interesting - thanks for the post. After watching the Air Crash Investigation episode on this disaster, I didn't follow it up any further, so it's good to get a fresh, truthful perspective on things.
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Postby SA227 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:54 pm

There was a doco on TV some time ago which featured John Hutchinson and his theories. It seemed nobody with any accident investigation skill was prepared to listen.
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Postby Ian Warren » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:56 pm

Is'nt ironic Paris , two SSTs .. albeit one was trying to sell its self pre Concorde debut .. falling into a small town killing people on the ground and to have Concorde falling in flames due to errors .. overloading fuel .. who authorised that for starters .. French airspace .. no rules at Charles De Gaule or Le Bourget ... good example is the West Coast coal mines ... RULEs are to be Broken and the heads not accountable .. or CTV s fake engineer , Air New Zealand's pass the buck back in 1979 ..
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Postby Charl » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:01 pm

Nothing new here, it's just the French legal system that is unfathomable.
Industry wags have it that the French killed more Germans on that day, than they managed in the entire Second World War.
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Postby Ian Warren » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:30 pm

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Industry wags have it that the French killed more Germans on that day, than they managed in the entire Second World War.

And i was being nice santa_cool.gif , France a country of corruption .. thru its recent decade of history ... mixing of words and not doing nothing ... HEY! ohmy.gif just like the Second World War .
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Postby IslandBoy77 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:13 am

While I have trouble looking at France in a positive light - even though my family "emigrated" from there during the French Revolution - and even though it's popular to portray the French as less than courageous in battle, I think we dishonour the thousands of French soldiers, pilots, sailors and Resistance fighters (not to mention "civilians") who gave their lives during WWII by making too much light of their efforts. We might like to think that we would have acted differently, better, but since NZ has never been invaded (in the case of France in WWI & II, perhaps "deluged" might be a better word) by an overt military force bent on full conquest of our country, I think it would be wise of us to be a little more circumspect in our launching of small, round compressed mineral projectiles at other people's mixed sodium silicate, calcium silicate and silicon dioxide transparent dwellings. biggrin.gif
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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:41 am

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While I have trouble looking at France in a positive light - even though my family "emigrated" from there during the French Revolution -

Emigrate laugh.gif they ran or the'd have there heads cut off laugh.gif ..... maybe that's why this Concorde crash report is being swept under the rug .. during the Berlin airlift they accidently over loaded aircraft many times , one example putting an Avro York 's payload on to a DC-3 , flights during the period were coming and going every thirty seconds going through three corridores in 1948 - 1949 not a bad effort , but up to the Concorde crash there was only 13 aircraft making a living since the first revenue flight in 1976 .. how is it that an aircraft with such prestiege be overloaded for a start that could have been airborne before the the FOD getting it and then to start looking at another airline as a scapegoat ! It was Air France so maybe they had better look into their own 'Heads' and course shows the corruption must .. not must but still is rife within the offices of power in the country .
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Postby IslandBoy77 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:31 pm

Ian Warren wrote:
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Emigrate laugh.gif they ran or the'd have there heads cut off laugh.gif .....


Yes, hence the quotes around emigrated. The story is that my family, suddenly "disinherited" of their lands and estate by a large group of angry people waving pitchforks, torches & other assorted weaponry, had the privilege of gracefully exiting the country in a dung cart that also had a load of straw (extra comfort - a real bonus). The local soldiers were even good enough to add extra ventilation to the whole affair by vigorously thrusting their bayonets through the straw. I guess they weren't full informed that my lot were under said straw.... yet perhaps their attention was diverted elsewhere, as their erstwhile attention neglected to perforate any of my antecedents. Which could be a good or bad thing, depending on how one looks at it. tongue.gif
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