Sugar...the new tobacco

[cowpatz]

For those that did not get to see the Nigel Latta doco on sugar then you really need too.
One of our pilots, Gary Hayman (Capt A320) and his wife (ex Flight attendant) appear towards the end. Gary has been very proactive in campaigning about sugar in our diet and the toxic effects that it has. His weight loss and enhanced quality of life is staggering. Many of our crew (moi included) are changing our lifestyles and it's causing havoc for the uniform department
I was gobsmacked to find that the small bag of muesli that we get with our crew breakfasts consists of 47% sugar and the yoghurt 18%. How can a healthy food like muesli have so much sugar!
The real tragedy is that foods promoted as low fat have their sugar levels markedly increased. You would be amazed at the foods that have sugar in them. 1 squirt of tomato sauce (the staple diet of our nations kids) contains 1 teaspoon of sugar. That's 1 quarter of the WHO recommended maximum daily intake of sugar for young kids.
Sit back, watch this (with the family too) and potentially save yours and their lives:

http://tvnz.co.nz/nigel-latta/s1-ep6-video-6060553

[Ian Warren]

Crikey .. maybe I should start eating muesli .... I like that .... "Alarmist Bollics" ... last part talking about diabetes, chap down the back flat Dave, bloody nice guy, he is a little mentally challenged and he is seriously diabetic to the point he now only has one toe left due to gangrene, I catch many times come home with cans of soft drink and all sorts of biscuits and sweets.

All he dose it watch's TV and news items, I wonder if he watched this, I may ask and if he didn't or missed it, I'll invite him over here to watch this .

[Dean]

Yep, far too much sugar in modern day foods that is for sure.
On the flip side, you should not eliminate sugars entirely from your diet, or at least don't go too far in eliminating them. They are an important ingredient for the functioning of your brain.

[cowpatz]

QUOTE (Dean @ Dec 10 2014,5:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yep, far too much sugar in modern day foods that is for sure.
On the flip side, you should not eliminate sugars entirely from your diet, or at least don't go too far in eliminating them. They are an important ingredient for the functioning of your brain.

Dean I think you may have meant the elimination of carbs, which is what fuels the brain. You don't need any dietary sugar.
Not only is sugar cheap but it is addictive. I wonder why that would appeal to a food manufacturer

It was interesting watching Katherine Rich (Food Manufacturers lobbyist and CEO of the Food and grocery Council and ex Nat MP) trying to defend the indefensible. It was her that tried to torpedo Sue Kedgley's call for more food labelling yet here she is talking about customer choice.
How do you do that without knowing what's in the food?

[Splitpin]

"How do you do that without knowing what's in the food?" exactly !

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Dec 10 2014,7:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

"How do you do that without knowing what's in the food?" exactly !

Well hundred years back it was cocaine in Coka-Cola

[cowpatz]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Dec 10 2014,6:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well hundred years back it was cocaine in Coka-Cola

Awesome.

[omitchell]

Trying to figure out how to get the sugar to stay in my papers now and do I need a filter?

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (cowpatz @ Dec 10 2014,9:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Awesome.

Scary part , they where handing it out to the passengers on the early flights of the period ... no wonder the pilots could get the planes so Hi ......

[gojozoom]

While I have no doubt about the facts listed in these documentaries, and find them good eye-openers in general, I still switch on my "internal filter" when watching them. They can potentially create fear and paranoia in your every-days - just imagine you watch docos like this all day - about sugar, alcohol, tobacco, poisoned food, radiation etc. If you take them seriously you just won't leave your house anymore...

I lost a long-going friendship because of that paranoia - she kept bringing up all the dangers, risks, and health hazard about every single thing we did or talked about.
She now lives in fear, became real skinny, and needs help (mentally). For her, the whole world outside is poisonous, dangerous, and unhealthy.

I think there is a golden middle somewhere, where you stay conscious while enjoying the pleasures of life...

I rather die living than live dying.

Sooo deep

Dan

[Ian Warren]

Dan, that is a real point , I also no one who is very much the same ... its bloody weird ... it dose go both ways , coming out off the shops/mall .... I saw a , obviously father and daughter , least I hope so , fact was the girl was so O-beast , possibly only mid teens chewing on an ice cream heading in .... now hang on , something seriously wrong with that picture !

[dbcunnz]

All this Bul***T about sugar, smoking, alcohol and all the other stuff was never heard when I was a young teen we ate and drank whatever was put in front of us god knows how many thousand liters of alcohol how many thousands of ice creams, bars of chocolate and packets of tobacco I have gone through in my life and I have passed the eighty year mark without any medical problems that all that stuff is supposed to cause the only effects that they had on me was alcohol gave me quite a few bad day afters and smoking gave me a foul taste in my mouth and a good cough until I gave it up in the early 1980s but as far as the sugar goes I have had no affects.
Maybe I am one of those people with genes that don't get effected by all the junk food etc

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Dec 11 2014,3:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

All this Bul***T about sugar, smoking, alcohol and all the other stuff was never heard when I was a young teen we ate and drank whatever was put in front of us god knows how many thousand liters of alcohol how many thousands of ice creams, bars of chocolate and packets of tobacco I have gone through in my life and I have passed the eighty year mark without any medical problems that all that stuff is supposed to cause the only effects that they had on me was alcohol gave me quite a few bad day afters and smoking gave me a foul taste in my mouth and a good cough until I gave it up in the early 1980s but as far as the sugar goes I have had no affects.
Maybe I am one of those people with genes that don't get effected by all the junk food etc

Good on ya Big D They built them tough back your day . I do feel sorry for the person Dan mentioned , that's a real reflection on the state of things .
We get stuff coming at us from every bloody direction these days .... Im not as senior as you ... your Bigness ... but like Dan , im starting to filter out about 75% of the daily bulldust .

[cowpatz]

I believe what it highlights is the fact that sugar levels in our food are increasing drastically and it is contained in foods that you would not expect it to be present in and certainly in the quantities that it is.
Certainly limiting sugar intake is not the B all and end all but if you look at the rapidly increasing obesity problem and type 2 diabetes disease then sugar and refined carbs intake must be very high on the list of offenders.
Fortunately Doug you have lived in an era that had real non refined foods. Lets face it there just wasn't that many pre-prepared food options available. You got a good start. Kids now are having teeth pulled at 2 yrs old
and the occurrences of obesity commonplace. Sure exercise and portion size are a consideration but as Nigel Latta found out he thought that he was living the healthy lifestyle but in fact to his surprise he wasn't. What we are told is healthy is now increasingly being debunked.
There is a return to eggs, butter, full fat milks, cream, cheese and meats and animal fats.....that must sound like a familiar diet Doug? Full circle I guess.

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Dec 11 2014,4:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Good on ya Big D They built them tough back your day . I do feel sorry for the person Dan mentioned , that's a real reflection on the state of things .
We get stuff coming at us from every bloody direction these days .... Im not as senior as you ... your Bigness ... but like Dan , im starting to filter out about 75% of the daily bulldust .

Now days it depends on what report you look at one will say coffee is bad for you the next one will say it is good for you the same goes for tea

Have a look what Dr Dave (The flying Doctor from Bulls) has to say https://www.facebook.com/pages/Internat ... 5358598029

[cowpatz]

That is one hard case facebook page.

[toprob]

I've just this minute come across this, a job ad on Trademe, and I suspect that this gives a clue to NZ's health issues. The emphasis in on 'quick/fast', and it's convenience which is killing us. Life is too full to have time to eat properly, get some exercise, and reduce our stress.

So it's a bit of a red herring to blame health issues on a handful of things, there's a lot more to it that just eating too much sugar, or fat, or drinking coffee (you can prise my one-sugar, full-fat soy espresso from my cold, dead hand.)

Yes, sugar is bad, but only because we don't come close to burning it off. Back in Doug's day, people probably worked harder, and drove less, and mainly ate what was produced in their neighbourhood.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (toprob @ Dec 11 2014,4:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

(you can prise my one-sugar, full-fat soy espresso from my cold, dead hand.)

Yes, sugar is bad, but only because we don't come close to burning it off. Back in Doug's day, people probably worked harder, and drove less, and mainly ate what was produced in their neighbourhood.

YIP said it exactly .... and exactly .... but the only thing that won't kill ya ...... and Rob ... Ive heard it your bloody coffee espresso machine makes so much noise there is no way in hell you can die quietly ! ... on the phone and even from here with a Southerly breeze , I noa whosa brewin

[dbcunnz]

QUOTE (toprob @ Dec 11 2014,4:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've just this minute come across this, a job ad on Trademe, and I suspect that this gives a clue to NZ's health issues. The emphasis in on 'quick/fast', and it's convenience which is killing us. Life is too full to have time to eat properly, get some exercise, and reduce our stress.

So it's a bit of a red herring to blame health issues on a handful of things, there's a lot more to it that just eating too much sugar, or fat, or drinking coffee (you can prise my one-sugar, full-fat soy espresso from my cold, dead hand.)

Yes, sugar is bad, but only because we don't come close to burning it off. Back in Doug's day, people probably worked harder, and drove less, and mainly ate what was produced in their neighbourhood.

I agree with you there Rob we didn't have TVs, Computers Xbox's or flightsim back in those days and most of our time was spent working or outdoors tramping, hunting pigs and deer or rabbit shooting and when we weren't doing one of those we were most likely sitting on a bar stool in some pub but still getting our exercise walking back and forth to empty out and make more room for the next drink.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Dec 11 2014,5:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree with you there Rob we didn't have TVs, Computers

Whatsa TV .. commuters .. half the time ya have to run for them .. only joking , Doug , not sure really , when growing up it was tunnels/ trench's home made weapons .. SUPER TREE HUTS .. flying fox's and ....... all forgot the ole trick of off grabbing a bolt that come up from a Formica covered table top and ripping along pre-opened roads ...

HANG ON ... MAYBE ... this should be deleted , it may put ideas into kids/slobs/fatblobs and the kids who get sand kicked in their eyes when they go to the beach .. SUN OF A BEACH .. I'll kill ya type material