Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:51 am
.. half way down the runway even before wheels touched ... me carrier mode ..BOLTER BOLTER!Page 1 of 1
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:51 amPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:30 pmWas the pilot in a rush to get to the toilet! , least after that he would'nt had been .. half way down the runway even before wheels touched ... me carrier mode ..BOLTER BOLTER!
.. half way down the runway even before wheels touched ... me carrier mode ..BOLTER BOLTER!Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:46 pmwow, that looks like a landing i would do.
Seriously though, that looks like it could have been a lot worse. (im just looking at the ocean behind it and all)
Seriously though, that looks like it could have been a lot worse. (im just looking at the ocean behind it and all)
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:19 pmlooked like allot of taill wind, he should have gone round it was patently obvious he wasnt going to stop in time
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:38 pmpilot.masman wrote:QUOTE (pilot.masman @ Jun 9 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>looked like allot of taill wind, he should have gone round it was patently obvious he wasnt going to stop in time
You can see the windsock at the LH far end of the runway and it certainly looks like a head wind, not tail. I agree a go-round should have been executed, but then I'm not a pilot nor at the controls !!
Deane
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:16 pmhaha good spotting, i just assumed that there was a tail wind, didnt even look at the sock..
its a rather steep entry to the runway, maybe hes a learner pilot
its a rather steep entry to the runway, maybe hes a learner pilot
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:24 pmpilot.masman wrote:QUOTE (pilot.masman @ Jun 9 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>looked like allot of taill wind
Tail-wind... you can say that again, esp from the passengers tails
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:10 pmQUOTE
its a rather steep entry to the runway, maybe hes a learner pilot[/quote]
Have you not been to St Barths in flightsim?
Have you not been to St Barths in flightsim?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:23 amnope 
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:16 amlooked to me like his approach speed was far to high as well, see how he floated down the runway for ages after leveling off! def should have gone around but then sometimes peoples urge to just get it on the ground and end the flight overtakes common sense, i know ive put it on the deck once or twice when i really should have gone around.
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:40 amChances are he wasn't an experienced pilot at that airport either, I doubt the airlines flying in there would take pilots with little or no experience at that airport.
Great quality video, seen it a couple of times now, always good to watch though.
Great quality video, seen it a couple of times now, always good to watch though.
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:44 amAlthough I'm not normally one to criticise another pilot's flying based on an internet video in which the whole story may not be apparent, I have to say that to me this shows a very serious lapse of judgment - granted it's obviously not an easy airport to land at, but by the time he was half way down the runway and still not on the ground (or even earlier given the short length and apparently high approach speed) he really should have realised that a go-around was the only safe option. Really the only situation I can think of that would excuse it would be if there was some other major problem which made a controlled crashlanding preferable to attempting to remain airborne, but there isn't anything to indicate that was the case.
In any case, this is a good example of why it's always important to pick a touchdown point even when not attempting a precision landing, and especially so at an airport with a relatively short runway, beyond which a go-around should be executed if the plane still hasn't touched down.
In any case, this is a good example of why it's always important to pick a touchdown point even when not attempting a precision landing, and especially so at an airport with a relatively short runway, beyond which a go-around should be executed if the plane still hasn't touched down.
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:27 pmFlyingKiwi wrote:QUOTE (FlyingKiwi @ Jun 10 2009, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>important to pick a touchdown point
Terrible pilot , he undershot....... he was aiming for the piano keys
...... at the other end off the runway
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:37 pmCool link!! As FlyingKiwi pointed out - we don't know all the facts. Harking back to my initial flying lessons, I distinctly recall my instructor saying there are some real 'gotchas' when making approaches to 'non-standard' runways - such as sloping runways, runways perched on top of hills, or in this case having to fly down sloping terrain to land!! Like you've all said - plenty of options to him other than the one he took.............. which was stand like HECK on the pedals and lock up the brakes as you skid off the end of the runway!! And I also noticed his weren't the first set of skid marks left on the runway either (No potty comments please!!). It may not have happened if he was in a helicopter!! 
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:53 pmTrolly wrote:QUOTE (Trolly @ Jun 9 2009, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Have you not been to St Barths in flightsim?
What is the ICAO code for this airport? - I can't find this in FSX?
thanks
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:19 pmTFFJ
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:42 pmThanks - Well its fair to say FSX is nothing like the real thing. For a start if you overshoot, theres a fair bit of land left, before you even get close to the beach. The clincher though is the big building in between !!
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:38 pmIf you want the real TFFJ experience, get Fly Tampa St Maarten. Its exactly like that video, one of the best scenery packages around.
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:42 pmpilot.masman wrote:QUOTE (pilot.masman @ Jun 10 2009, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>nope
http://nzff.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10059
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:23 amtanks tolly, must have missed that one 
looks nerve wrecking
looks nerve wrecking