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On the box...

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:39 pm
by toprob
Well, here we go in 2015 and finally we are starting to catch up with the rest of the world for streaming TV. I think I've had a previous thread on this, when Quickflix was new, but it doesn't show up in a search...

Quickflix was Australia's answer to Netflix, and when they started up here it was pretty much all we had for streaming TV, but they never really took off. There are two big requirements for streaming TV services -- the catalogue, and the supported devices. Quickflix was always a bit lacking in both, and I think they have only really survived because they were the only game in town.

This year, though, we've got Lightbox, Spark's streaming service, Neon, which is Sky's version, and from today, Netflix, which is the big daddy of streaming TV throughout the world. I tried Lightbox when it first appeared, and I quite liked it, the only issue for me was the huge bandwidth requirements, which doesn't really suit my frugal lifestyle at the moment.

The only trouble is that it takes time to develop, test and release support for new devices. People generally want to be able to watch TV on their TV set, but there are a lot of different ways of doing that, and to keep up with all these is a bit of a process, I imagine. Lightbox has done a good job, but Netflix has always had the advantage as they have been at it for longer.

For me, I don't have a TV, so I need to either watch on my desktop PC, or my tablet. Both are Windows 8, so Netflix already had apps ready to drop into the NZ app store, so this becomes a real nobrainer for anyone in my position. I just install the app, sign in once on all my devices, and that's it. Sure, you can watch Netflix, Lightbox, Neon and Quickflix in your browser, but an app makes things a lot simpler, and more like a 'normal' TV experience. I know that a lot of people don't see the advantage of the 'new' bits in Windows 8, but believe me, you start to appreciated them when you shift to touch screen, and watching media in particular is a much better experience.

Anyway, I still have bandwidth issues, and tomorrow is the end of my 'month', so I wasn't going to even look at Netflix until the next day, but what the hell...

Bearing in mind that some people might want to sign up on some weird devices, rather than the PC, the sign-up is amazingly simple. There are some things which I need to consider -- first, I always use a password manager on the PC, but this doesn't really suit this sort of experience -- sooner or later you will come across a device which doesn't support a manage, such as a smart TV, and even the way in which passwords are entered on these devices means that you are going to want a simpler, shorter password than normal, otherwise you'll be driving yourself crazing navigating an onscreen keyboard with a remote.

The Netflix lineup for NZ was always going to be light, the local licensing scene is very fragmented, with Sky hogging a lot of the good content. But there's enough there to keep me happy, similar to but different from Lightbox, and at the same price. ($12.99) Neon is the odd one out, at $20, but for me they've never been an option -- Sky has never been attractive to me.

The Netflix price gives two streams of HD where available, but there is a $9.99 SD version, and a more expensive 'family' version with Ultra HD when available.
I should have set up the SD option, as it will be a while until I can sort out the limited monthly allowance, but I wanted to give it a proper test on the first free month. But I have turned down the quality setting a lot to prevent the 3GB-per-hour churning through my 40GB per month....

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:50 pm
by Ian Warren
All goodie , I be able to catch on all the missed Coronation Street shows :o ... I don't think so Bob ... I mean Rob :D

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:16 pm
by Fozzer
Ian Warren wrote:All goodie , I be able to catch on all the missed Coronation Street shows :o ... I don't think so Bob ... I mean Rob :D


..and a wonderful way to watch all those old; "Home and Away" shows, since 1987!
.....NOT!.... :angry: ...!

"Coronation Street", "East Enders", "Home and Away", etc, etc, was one of the many reasons why I junked my TV, (thrown out of the window!), until I got my TV Licence for free at the age of 70 (OAP).

We have to pay a yearly TV License, £145:50, to watch all the daily dross emptying itself on the TV screen!

Now, I just watch "CBS Reality" for all the crazy things that folks get up to, in the streets, courts, and prisons of the U.S. of A!....That's entertainment!.... :lol: ...!

Paul.... :cheers: ...!

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:27 am
by Ian Warren
I only watch the fact based shows like the Simpsons, Family Guy , Rambo and the Thunderbirds.

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:21 am
by Fozzer
Ian Warren wrote:I only watch the fact based shows like the Simpsons, Family Guy , Rambo and the Thunderbirds.


..but not Sponge Bob?.... :o ....!

Shame on you!

Paul... :lol: ... :lol: ...!

...and what about Beavis and Butthead...and Ren and Stimpy?.... :rolleyes: ...!

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:32 am
by toprob
Yes, this is more for the TV geek, who wants an alternative to torrents to watch their favourite shows. And generally can't find anything decent to watch on mainstream TV. Well, monday's ok, with The Blacklist and the Walking Dead, and I can watch Scorpion on Friday if I'm home...

Streaming services allow for something other than mainstream stuff, which today means 'reality' -- which is far from, cooking, home videos of stupid people, and the latest -- home renovations.

New Zealanders have a strange relationship with their telly, the biggest thing which has happened in NZ this month involves 'Will He Moon' and 'Smoking Kills', who are apparently married to each other, and have brought the country to a standstill with their hysterically amusing celebrity antics...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:50 am
by Ian Warren
All these bloody house-build , song-quest dating-games and celeb talk shows, CRIKEY what a mess ! , Its a pity many off the documentaries run on Utube are not mainline TV
Fozzer wrote:..but not Sponge Bob?.... :o ....!

Shame on you!

Paul... :lol: ... :lol: ...!

...and what about Beavis and Butthead...and Ren and Stimpy?.... :rolleyes: ...!

Off I forgot to mention many off those other real life TV shows.

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:29 am
by NZ255
Haven't we got watered down Netflix?

I'll start a free trial next month as I won't be able to use it for half the time.

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:43 am
by toprob
NZ255 wrote:Haven't we got watered down Netflix?

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Yes, and although I've already been accused of being 'infernally cheerful' about this, and annoyed a friend of mine with my glass-half-full attitude, it is a start, and it is better than nothing, and with support it should get better.

Plus, a major selling point is that those with 'global mode' internet, or a DNS-fudging service, can use their NZ account to choose any Netflix region in the world. This has always been a choice, and a lot of New Zealanders use it, but it always seemed a bit too much trouble, as your NZ credit card normally isn't suitable for Netflix etc payments.

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:14 pm
by toprob
After a full week of trying this out, I have a clearer picture of how it'll work. I did need to switch Netflix to the lowest quality setting, otherwise I just use too much bandwidth, but those with larger plans shouldn't have problems -- unless you are a binge viewer:) On the PC's big screen the low quality isn't that useful, but on the tablet it is just fine -- very good quality in fact, compared to other streaming services such as TVNZ.

Speaking of binging, I also needed to switch it so it didn't automatically start the next episode, otherwise I'd never get any sleep. I did notice one interesting thing binge-watching Breaking Bad -- I didn't watch this when it was on TV originally, and I soon remembered why. Being rather OCD, the opening credits with the embedded periodic table element names really annoyed me, so much so that I couldn't watch it originally. Even now I have to look away until the credits are over. I don't know why this happens, all I know is: It. Just. Isn't. Right.

I have been trying out Unotelly, the geo-unblocking service, hence the ability to watch Breaking Bad. Both this and Netflix are still in the free-trial phase, luckily. Yes, the New Zealand selection is not huge, but it does have a lot of the stuff I'd like to watch. However I may continue with Unotelly after the free trial. It is a beautifully simple system, you can change the DNS service in a few way, I guess you could change this in your router so that it works on all your network devices, but I just set it up on my tablet, which doesn't affect the PC. So on the PC I have NZ Netflix, whereas on the tablet I can set whatever region I want.

I'm aware that there are some interesting things happening at the moment, with the major NZ licensees banding together to challenge the legality of this sort of services (Unotelly, I mean, not Netflix) as this is a bit of a grey area legally. It would be good to have this settled, but in the meantime I'm happy to use it.

I am thinking of keeping Netflix, the only real question was the bandwidth, which was the reason why I never continued with Lightbox, but it certainly is manageable on a 40GB account. In August when my contract is up I will be looking at a better plan, but until then I'm not made of money.

On the other hand, I may just be tough and decide not to continue, as the cost -- $13 -- might be better spent on food. We'll see.

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:20 pm
by emfrat
I have a full box set of 'Monkey', on DVD. What more could I possibly want? :D

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 3:06 pm
by Ian Warren
emfrat wrote:I have a full box set of 'Monkey', on DVD. What more could I possibly want? :D

Seriously .. the TV kids series from 1979 .. the one who love to eat so much he s more like a porker :unsure:

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:33 pm
by scaber
Ian Warren wrote:
emfrat wrote:I have a full box set of 'Monkey', on DVD. What more could I possibly want? :D

Seriously .. the TV kids series from 1979 .. the one who love to eat so much he s more like a porker :unsure:



I think he means the Japanese martial arts series - an entirely different genre - only ever saw this once. Most entertaining though!!

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:50 pm
by emfrat
It wasn't just martial arts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjQQhH6Jbok

Re: On the box...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:20 pm
by Ian Warren
emfrat wrote:It wasn't just martial arts...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjQQhH6Jbok

YIP same show , still so late 1970s early 1980s