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Well, I'm not actually ...but it seems everybody else on the planet is.
My Goodness ...I felt like a priest at confession listening to the news today...sorry for this, sorry for that, and so on.
It seems to me these days if you don't apologize for something on a daily basis, you become some kind of social outcast.

So, in closing, I'm sorry about not being sorry about what I apparently should be sorry about.

Sorry

Lol. Was thinking the same thing

I agree wholeheartedly with you mate. We (...) are being overlooked.

I had no intention of joining this discussion, as I'm not really sure what the underlying gist is. However I was tempted to moderate Simon's comment, but I won't go that far at the moment.
Getting back to the original post...
I can imagine that if I was a normal, average kiwi, who may have chosen to settle in NZ, or is first or second generation, and I was worried about what could be called racial profiling, or even racism, which has always been part of our lives, simply because of our religion, I'd be relieved to know that the Government is prepared to acknowledge that some mistakes were made prior to the Christchurch shootings. An apology is a simple, human gesture which goes a long way to make amends for past shortcomings. I have no idea when and how an apology became something negative, maybe it has always been that way, and I've never caught on.

toprob wrote: I won't go that far at the moment.

I just did.
If it causes anyone offence, PM me for some robust discussion.

I believe that what SP was highlighting was that there is so much apologising going on that it is danger of becoming overused and taken as being non genuine. Then there is the plain absurd such as the Kiwi fashion designer Dame Trelise Cooper having to apologise for an "embarrassing mistake" of naming a dress with a phrase associated with a bleak period in Native American history. Really? "Trail of tiers" versus "Trail of tears". Not even the same spelling or intent. How could she have known?
I never knew anything about that event in native Indian history so at least something good came of it. But you cannot unmake history by simply ignoring it or pretending it didn't happen. In fact that would be the worst outcome.

I don't feel any of the apologies I have seen are genuine at all - its all virtue signaling in the modern cancel culture. People, and most especially those in the public eye, are saying sorry simply to placate the masses and rescue / preserve their image or reputation. It has nothing to do with actually being sorry. Just look at some of the 'mistakes' that have been made - mistakes? No, deliberate actions they got found out and called out. So they are 'sorry'. No, its all PR BS.

Well said Jeff.

My reaction was really to the results of the Royal Commission report on the mosque shootings, as this was the main news story which I assume Marty was referring to. This is one of my many 'obsessions', I guess going back to my ex's experiences here as a new New Zealander, a refugee and a muslim.
The main story for me was that the Government plans to implement all the recommendations of the commission. As an aside, the Prime Minister offered an apology to muslims. So 'I apologise' was not the story, and making it so sweeps a lot of under the carpet, which was partly what the apology attempted to redress.
Seeing an apology from and to someone who isn't me as a symptom of something which somehow affects or even devalues me is a bit over the top.
It's that sweeping under the carpet which worries me the most, this can be used as a smoke-screen (sorry, mixed metaphors, and another apology) for continuing the status quo, and by 'status quo' I mean a real, deep and destructive level of racism in NZ.
CP -- I'll give you the dress, figuratively speaking:) But I don't see this as yet another symptom of some failure of humanity, this is just the way the media works. I skipped this 'story', it isn't news. There are enough genuine news stories for me, and the media isn't always delivering enough of these. Maybe the media is giving people what they want.

I think CP and Jeff have summed up this for me.. and I thank them for that ...I NEVER intended to aim this at any group, sect, club ...whatever.
I do however strongly object to people second-guessing me, and assuming they knew what I was alluding to, without consulting me first ...when indeed I wasn't alluding to anything in particular ...good god, why am I even typing this.

@Simonh, I'm not sure what you actually posted, because it's been edited by my fellow mods ...but listen up my friend ....and you are now being warned...keep your political leanings to yourself on this forum! Do NOT fill in the gaps on my posts based on your personal opinions...are we clear? I'm afraid there is no such thing as a second chance when my credibility is on the line.

I get my motorcycle prepared, ready to go out for a nice little ride around the local countryside... ....

...and it starts to rain..... ...!

That's what makes me Sorry!... ...!

Paul... ... ...!

Paul ...I feel your pain