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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:55 am
by h290master
Virginia Tech Rampage Deadliest Ever
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BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a Virginia Tech dorm and then, two hours later, in a classroom across campus Monday, killing at least 30 people in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history, government officials told The Associated Press. The gunman was killed, bringing the death toll to 31.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."


Virginia Tech Rampage Deadliest Ever
Associated Press | April 16, 2007
BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a Virginia Tech dorm and then, two hours later, in a classroom across campus Monday, killing at least 30 people in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history, government officials told The Associated Press. The gunman was killed, bringing the death toll to 31.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."

It was not immediately clear whether the gunman was shot by police or took his own life. His name was not released, and investigators offered no motive for the attack. It was not known if the gunman was a student.
The shootings spread panic and confusion on campus, with students complaining that the university did not warn them about the first burst of gunfire until more than two hours later.

Witnesses reporting students jumping out the windows of a classroom building to escape the gunfire. SWAT team members with helmets, flak jackets and assault rifles swarmed over the campus. Students and faculty members carried out some of the wounded themselves, without waiting for ambulances to arrive.

The massacre took place at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a coed dormitory that houses 895 people, and continuing at least two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building about a half-mile away, authorities said.

Police said they were still investigating the shooting at the dorm when they got word of gunfire at the classroom building.

Some students bitterly questioned why the gunman was able to strike a second time, two hours after the bloodshed began.

"What happened today this was ridiculous. And I don't know what happened or what was going through this guy's mind," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "But I'm pretty outraged and I'll say on the record I'm pretty outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 o'clock in the morning and the first e-mail about it - no mention of locking down campus, no mention of canceling classes - they just mention that they're investigating a shooting two hours later at 9:22."

He added: "That's pretty ridiculous and meanwhile, while they're sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed."

FBI spokesman Richard Kolko in Washington said there was no evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack, "but all avenues will be explored."

Up until Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard drove his pickup into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

The massacre Monday took place almost eight years to the day after the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo. On April 20, 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.

Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police.

Founded in 1872, Virginia Tech is nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains of southwestern Virginia, about 160 miles west of Richmond. With more than 25,000 full-time students, it has the state's largest full-time student population. The school is best known for its engineering school and its powerhouse Hokies football team.

The rampage took place on a brisk spring day, with snow flurries swirling around the campus. The campus is centered around the Drill Field, a grassy field where military cadets - who now represent a fraction of the student body - once practiced. The dorm and the classroom building are on opposites sides of the Drill Field.

A gasp could be heard at a campus news conference when Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum said at least 20 people had been killed. Previously, only one person was thought to have been killed.

Investigators from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began marking and recovering the large number of shell casings and will trace the weapon used, authorities said.

A White House spokesman said President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia.

"The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed, and classes were canceled through Tuesday. The university set up a meeting place for families to reunite with their children. It also made counselors available and planned an assembly for Tuesday at the basketball arena.

After the shooting began, students were told to stay inside away from the windows.

Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.

"They had us under lockdown," Kanode said. "They temporarily lifted the lockdown, the gunman shot again."

"We're all locked in our dorms surfing the Internet trying to figure out what's going on," Kanode said.

Maurice Hiller, 21, a mechanical engineering student from Richmond, saw police and SWAT team members with guns drawn going toward Norris Hall. "This is something just totally beyond anybody's expectations," he said.

Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks by authorities but said they have not determined a link to the shootings.

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:33 am
by kiwiflyboy
Very sad indeed........ :( :(

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:09 pm
by h290master
The US government needs stricter laws with their firearms.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:12 pm
by SUBS17
Bloody hell when I last saw the news the body count was 8 and that was at 330am this mourning.(and they thought then that the shooter was dead) I checked the news again and its up to 31. Yeah stricter gun laws are needed in the US that has to be the worst one in history.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:27 pm
by h290master
I think the count is now 33 dead and 22+ injured

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:39 pm
by ZK-KAG
Horrible news :(

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:02 pm
by Charl
Ditto that...
One might start out by asking: Why would an automatic or semi-automatic fire arm be for sale to civilians?
In what "sport" could one possibly use such a weapon?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:15 pm
by Zöltuger
Charl wrote: One might start out by asking: Why would an automatic or semi-automatic fire arm be for sale to civilians?
In what "sport" could one possibly use such a weapon?

This is the land of the free we're talking about, where gun control is a four letter word :rolleyes:

And from now on, can everyone make sure they don't paste the whole article onto the forum- it's a copyright infringement. A short quote and a link to the webpage is fine.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:17 pm
by Timmo
meanwhile, thousands of African children died from preventable diseases today.....look out for a massive article on the news tonight.

Oh no, wait.....it wont be mentioned

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:44 pm
by deaneb
Timmo wrote: meanwhile, thousands of African children died from preventable diseases today.....look out for a massive article on the news tonight.

Oh no, wait.....it wont be mentioned

Gun control and birth control - both could go a long way to solving the worlds ills !!

Deane

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:20 pm
by h290master
Americans hould have to sit for their licenses like we do and get indorsments linke us eg B endorsment-Pistols, E endorsment-Military classed weapons. and if this happed you wouldnt have nearly as much shootings and today could of been prevented

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:07 pm
by SUBS17
All he used was a 9mm semiautomatic pistol. In the state where this happened the gun control law is quite lax. I think they have a limit there 1 gun per month.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:11 pm
by SUBS17
Timmo wrote: meanwhile, thousands of African children died from preventable diseases today.....look out for a massive article on the news tonight.

Oh no, wait.....it wont be mentioned

Thats more of a cultural problem than a scientific one, such problems are unavoidable because of the ethnic and tribal differences.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:33 pm
by ZK-KAG
meanwhile, thousands of African children died from preventable diseases today.....


Preventable is debatable...thousands on these children are born with AIDS etc...

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:42 am
by SUBS17
No its mainly war which causes these problems.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:09 pm
by h290master
war, stupudity and greed I reckon is which cause these problems.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:57 pm
by SUBS17
Most definately particularly in Africa.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:06 pm
by chopper_nut
What really peeves me off is that the night that it happend, our resident 'expert' (and I use that term very loosly!) Dr Phillip Alpers was on TV harping on about nothing at all as usual. What the hell does he know about anything, how could he be a 'Dr'? he was given it by a left wing university because he was saying things that they like to hear, he has no real credentials at all. huff, huff, huff Rant mode off now! The funny thing is that some states in the US have the tightest firearms laws around. I think that we have struck a reasonable ballance here, we can own and shoot MSSAs (Military Style Semi Autos) and pistols/revolvers. We can own, but in most cases not shoot, automatics. 99.9% of the firearms related crime in this country is commited by unlicensed people with stolen hardware.