Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:14 am
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:52 am[/quote]Are these all manufactured by the same company? They look so similar and all designed for the same job. The bent wings with all the goodies helping the ailerons - obviously for a reason?Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:03 amOlderndirt wrote:QUOTE (Olderndirt @ Jan 23 2011, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are these all manufactured by the same company? They look so similar and all designed for the same job. The bent wings with all the goodies helping the ailerons - obviously for a reason?
Yes they are all from the same manufacturer, originally NZ Aerospace, then Pacific Aerospace Corporation. The FU-24 Fletcher at the bottom is the last version of the 400HP piston engine models. Above that is a turbine engine conversion of the Fletcher. To the left is the Cresco. Although similar in shape and layout, the Cresco is actually a whole new design specifically for a turbine engine. Originally powered by a 600HP lycoming the 750HP PT6 is now the standard.
The ailerons have what are called endplates and on the top of the outer wing are vortex generators. Both of these control airflow to reduce aileron forces. The original Fletchers had quite high stick force in the roll axis and required a bit of muscle apparently !!
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:13 amPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:18 am
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:25 amconnor wrote:QUOTE (connor @ Jan 23 2011, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>AIRTRUCK!!! AIRTRUCK!!!
There is no such aircraft I'm afraid !!!
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:46 pmdeaneb wrote:QUOTE (deaneb @ Jan 23 2011, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There is no such aircraft I'm afraid !!!
We wont bug you anymore Deane...youve GIVEN us enough to play with....cheers
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:14 pm
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:40 pmSplitpin wrote:QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jan 23 2011, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We wont bug you anymore Deane...youve GIVEN us enough to play with....cheers
LOL - was just a wind up about the spelling of Airtruk !!
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:48 pmdeaneb wrote:QUOTE (deaneb @ Jan 22 2011, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes they are all from the same manufacturer, originally NZ Aerospace, then Pacific Aerospace Corporation. The FU-24 Fletcher at the bottom is the last version of the 400HP piston engine models. Above that is a turbine engine conversion of the Fletcher. To the left is the Cresco. Although similar in shape and layout, the Cresco is actually a whole new design specifically for a turbine engine. Originally powered by a 600HP lycoming the 750HP PT6 is now the standard.They call them spillplates over here - same thing. I noticed a good sized counter balance on each aileron so, with the generators delaying the stall, things should have improved.
The ailerons have what are called endplates and on the top of the outer wing are vortex generators. Both of these control airflow to reduce aileron forces. The original Fletchers had quite high stick force in the roll axis and required a bit of muscle apparently !!
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:06 pmdeaneb wrote:QUOTE (deaneb @ Jan 23 2011, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>LOL - was just a wind up about the spelling of Airtruk !!
Doh ........hang on....so, if i spell it right....does that mean.......you might rebuild one
@ Ian....how do you do that....and dont say fs recorder, because i cannot get my old head around that. Maybe i should buy some Corona's and come over for a few lessons
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:28 pmSplitpin wrote:QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jan 23 2011, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ Ian....how do you do that....and dont say fs recorder, because i cannot get my old head around that. Maybe i should buy some Corona's and come over for a few lessons
I'm guessing cut 'n' paste in Photoshop (or whatever) but with Ian, you never know ... could have been one of those insane multiplayer sessions of his!
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:41 pmAdamski wrote:QUOTE (Adamski @ Jan 23 2011, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm guessing cut 'n' paste in Photoshop (or whatever) but with Ian, you never know ... could have been one of those insane multiplayer sessions of his
I used the "clone" tool to do that one.....i cant understand how he gets the edges so smooth....Ive tryed cut and paste....paste is fine....its the cut that i can get right.
Im sure i will find out soon....
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:20 pm
as for the crazy MPs that could be possible , maybe next months screen compo - all and everyone in a DeaneB PAC aircraft 
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:28 pmIan Warren wrote:QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jan 23 2011, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I could tell ya then would have to shoot myself ... Nah .. A series off screens cut edit and past , photoshop it
Sounds good...a Deane fest....I'll still bring some beer, .....if i see you doing one i will be fine....if i have to read instructions , Im stuffed....thank you Mr Stroke.
Cheers Ian
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:34 pmSplitpin wrote:QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jan 23 2011, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I used the "clone" tool to do that one.....i cant understand how he gets the edges so smooth....Ive tryed cut and paste....paste is fine....its the cut that i can get right.
Im sure i will find out soon....
It's all in the "feather" sensitivity options. To copy, I use the polygonal lasso tool with a sensitivity of around 4px ... with or without anti-aliasing (sometimes helps). After pasting, you can blur the edges a bit with the "remove to background" brush (or whatever it's called) with a suitably sized brush. If you get the the first copy right, though, you may not need to do that.
The other thing that helps (with sharpening) - though your shots are always amazing in that respect ... is to leave any sharpening right to the very end - just prior after the final resize (and final save). If used during the edit process, then the best sharpens happen *immediately after* a re-size operation, as the original full size data is [still] held in memory. A few operations down the line, and it will only be using the new (lower res) image when it resamples.
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:47 pm Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:51 pmconnor wrote:QUOTE (connor @ Jan 23 2011, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry about the mis-spelling
AIRTRUK!!!! AIRTRUK!!!!
As in "Transavia PL-12 Airtruk" ... the one that re-defined the word "ugly"?
I'm sure I saw an FS version of it around somewhere ... though I found a nice pic of the real ZK-CJU here.
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:12 pm
or some more of 
beautiful air to air photos from a Nanchang. we already have a very excellent fleet of crop dusters thanks to Dean.Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:48 pmAdamski wrote:QUOTE (Adamski @ Jan 23 2011, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's all in the "feather" sensitivity options. To copy, I use the polygonal lasso tool with a sensitivity of around 4px ... with or without anti-aliasing (sometimes helps). After pasting, you can blur the edges a bit with the "remove to background" brush (or whatever it's called) with a suitably sized brush. If you get the the first copy right, though, you may not need to do that.
The other thing that helps (with sharpening) - though your shots are always amazing in that respect ... is to leave any sharpening right to the very end - just prior after the final resize (and final save). If used during the edit process, then the best sharpens happen *immediately after* a re-size operation, as the original full size data is [still] held in memory. A few operations down the line, and it will only be using the new (lower res) image when it resamples.
Master.....i must admit, i was intimidated by the "feather tool".......but Im over it now
Thank you, and may your pantry always be full of "bra's"dbcunnz wrote:QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jan 23 2011, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Come on for christ sake Marty what would you sooner have a bloody big cloud of fertilizer flowing from a crappy old Airtruk
Now I'm sure Dean will back me up in this one WE NEED A NANCHANG for Gavin to take his pics
Ok big guy....i give up....lets do a NanchangNaki wrote:QUOTE (Naki @ Jan 23 2011, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just to add to that the original Flethcer was designed by John Thorp whom also designed the FD-25 and Thorp T-18 which both had bent wings. He was also the designer of the Piper Cherokee
Cheers Naki....in fact if you have a good look at a Cherokee wing, its kind of thick and fletcher like.....good bit of info , I'll file that away...cheers.
