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GR-1 again.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:38 pm
by Splitpin
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:56 pm
by Ian Warren
I still see no Camels :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:56 pm
by Splitpin
Ian Warren wrote:I still see no Camels :D


Their dug in :ph43r:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:08 pm
by Ian Warren
I do have have a good series all about one off the Gulf missions .. this was the one were Flt Lt John Nichol's was shot down down in the first Gulf War and they mention the ingress - alt/speed and planning , no Camels in the photos tho :D quite a few humps tho :unsure:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:38 pm
by johnkiwi
Nice Marty, I think this is even better than the previous one. :thumbup:
maybe the camels are there, but camelouflaged so you can't see them :ph43r:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:56 pm
by Charl
Nice screen Marty... I have a lasting vision of an RAF backseater POW being paraded in front of the TV cameras in Desert Storm, one of very few shot down. They forgot to adapt their tactics and all it took was the whole platoon blazing away at the sky with their AK47's.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:37 pm
by Splitpin
Thanks charl , i think the old AK has been responsible for a few downings.
Thanks for looking.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:02 pm
by Ian Warren
I do have a listing here of the causes from enemy fire from both sides , no AKs took the Tornado out .. tho one here is a real classic tho not from a GR-1 but another which bombed a Mil helicopter whilst airborne with a LGB .. now that's a clever trick :)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:53 am
by Charl
'Twas a Mudhen that dropped it.

I am pretty well convinced they lost more than one Tornado to small arms fire in Desert Storm.
The dude on the camel would spot the low level incoming, and light a small fire or something, and by the time the lads had loaded up their AK's and let fly in the general direction of the sky, the bird was overhead and dead.

Tornado's started doing high level stuff pretty quickly after.

Edit: I am thinking of these two:
1: 17/01/91. ZD791 - hit by flak which set off one of the aircraft's
own self defence Sidewinders. Both crew ejected; subsequently
beaten and displayed on Iraqi TV

2: 18/01/91. ZA392 - was seen to "hit the ground, 3 minutes
after weapon release". Both crew killed, including 27 sqn's CO.

The British Tornado force did not fare well: 6 losses in the campaign, there should have been zero.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:22 am
by Ian Warren
Charl wrote:'
Edit: I am thinking of these two:
1: 17/01/91. ZD791 - hit by flak which set off one of the aircraft's
own self defence Sidewinders. Both crew ejected; subsequently
beaten and displayed on Iraqi TV

That is the well known Flt Lt John Nichol , wonder what he is doing now .... I have a good detailed drawing of their plan off attack and were it went pear-shaped and horribly wrong ... mind you it was war and if the bad guys are not shooting back there is something wrong.