NZFF

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:37 am**

My second attempt at the 'Roaring Forties' formation, using all the available NZ repaints I could find for the Alphasim model, and the recorder module to create the formation group. Firstly, some background info:

As well known in airshow circles as the RNZAF's Red Checkers are the various Harvard teams of the New Zealand Warbirds Association. These began on a small scale but worked up over time to a full routine which emulated that of the Red Checkers during their Harvard days. Many of the pilots had previously flown with the RNZAF team, others were civil pilots.

So first there was a two-ship team. It then became a three-ship, then a four-ship team, and eventually a five-ship display was worked up. They were known originally as The Warbirds Formation Aerobatic Team.

This main team, with a few member changes, took on the identity The Roaring Forties, which apparently referred both to the southern latitude lines of New Zealand, and more so to the age of the pilots and the aircraft, both into their forties when the team formed.

More info and RL photos here.

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:11 am**

Great Display

by Team leader Andrew"Trolly"Underwood :clap:

Boy ! don't ya love em Havards >nzflag<

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:28 am**

Very nice again Andrew, must be loads of fun making these!

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:23 am**

Nice work Mr Trolly! The formation looks very solid. Whereabouts do you get the paint for NZ1015? Also, I seem to remember paints for the CAF's ZK-USM, and ZK-MJN/NZ1052 - where are they?

I'm attempting to do more of the Warbird Harvards, and making 57/ZK-TVI a more accurate reflection of her current appearance, as well as doing NZ1099(the other all-yellow machine, formerly 'ENN), ZK-ENE/NZ1066, and NZ1076 and '91.

Tell ya what, I'd love to attempt a multiplayer virtual Roaring Forties, if anyone else was keen. I think it'd be cool, too, to do a "mock attack" at the upcoming NZFF fly-in...just a coupla thoughts...

Posted: **Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:23 pm**

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Whereabouts do you get the paint for NZ1015?[/quote]
t6_nz2_4.zip on Avsim, has 78, 52 and 57 and from memory, Ian Warren painted up 15 and sent it to me in an email.. not sure if he ever released it publically? You'll have to ask him

QUOTE

Also, I seem to remember paints for the CAF's ZK-USM, and ZK-MJN/NZ1052 - where are they?[/quote] zk_usm.zip on avsim, but wasn't included above as I've never seen it as part of the Forties Formation. Never seen -MJN before though, would love a download link if anyone else knows where to find it?

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I'd love to attempt a multiplayer virtual Roaring Forties, if anyone else was keen. I think it'd be cool, too, to do a "mock attack" at the upcoming NZFF fly-in...[/quote]
I believe Charl and Ian and a few others did that at last years fly in on FSX? Would be awesome to watch if you can organise it, but flying by myself in the formation above was hard enough work, let alone in real time with other sim pilots! :lol:

BTW, do I have the correct repaint installed for NZ1057 (ZK-TVI)- The real aircarft has an orange band that begins behind the RAF roundel on the main fuselage, not before it. And are there any other orange/grey NZ Harvards out there that I could add to my formation? I'm sure I've seen screenshots of three Harvards with Kiwi roundels on the wings from FS before...?

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:57 pm

by K5054NZ

I tried MJN at Ian Warren's place, gorgeous paint and VERY true to life. The R/W MJN is the all-silver machine with black and yellow "Wellington" checkers against the fuse roundels, and the large number 52. Dunno if it's been released, then.

Well, two of the aircraft I mentioned above, ZK-ENC/NZ1091 and ZK-ENB/NZ1076, are red/grey with Kiwis, but I don't think anyone's done paints for them....yet!

Also, the Aussie-based NZ1085 (rego forgotten) and NZ1014/VH-TOA are in the same scheme. In terms of what's available, you're most likely thinking of ZK-ENF/NZ1065 by Frank Safranek. This is available at both AvSim and FlightSim.

Re '57, she currently has an earlier scheme than that portrayed in the repaint: the rudder and elevators are silver, as are the horizontal stabs, and the red finishes outboard of the wing roundels and behind the fuse ones, and the fuse/wing are silver. NZ1098, as modelled as a standalone by (I think) Andrew "TOZ" Pattison, is in a similar scheme but with the Red Checkers cowl.

Re USM, dead right she wasn't! But I wanted to have a complete collection anyway.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:44 pm

by Ian Warren

Oooopps .. ................1015 Historic ...... very :rolleyes:

................1050 Wiggy gate gaurd just sticking around
............... 1023 1950s band , June 1981 WINGS
................1037 10 days ago , :unsure:

.... whoops

................1087 proposed early March 1970 ... so different

I'll get them cleaned up and posted.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:58 pm

by ardypilot

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In terms of what's available, you're most likely thinking of ZK-ENF/NZ1065 by Frank Safranek. This is available at both AvSim and FlightSim.[/quote]
Awesome, getting it now. Thanks for the HU.

Looking forward to your repaints Ian, any skin will look good on the Alpha model sounding the way it does! The noise makes it so much fun to fly B-)

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:21 pm

by Ian Warren

Trolly wrote:
QUOTE (Trolly @ Feb 4 2008, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The noise makes it so much fun to fly

mmmmmmmm Harvard ... 10 at night .. what a dream

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:11 pm

by Alfashark

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 4 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mmmmmmmm Harvard ... 10 at night .. what a dream

Better yet, Anzac morning... Pre-dawn run-up and two ship formation takeoff under cover of darkness

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:50 pm

by Ian Warren

Alfashark wrote:
QUOTE (Alfashark @ Feb 4 2008, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Better yet, Anzac morning... Pre-dawn run-up and two ship formation takeoff under cover of darkness

The Moment .. Indeed ,

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:56 am

by Charl

FYI these NZ paints are what I reckon are available:

I did a bit on Ian's #15 which was not widely circulated

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:53 pm

by K5054NZ

Ok, how do you get 52? She's my favourite on the circuit, just because of that scheme.

Ian - photos, or paints you're doing? Please say paints! 087 is the AFW machine, right? I LOOOVE THAT SCHEME! My all-time fave on T-6/SNJ etc etc.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:47 pm

by Charl

Cast your mind back 17 weeks or so, in this thread

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:26 pm

by K5054NZ

Thanks Charl! Looking on the site now...and 07 too! Sorry, I'd TOTALLY forgotten.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:52 pm

by Ian Warren

K5054NZ wrote:
QUOTE (K5054NZ @ Feb 5 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ian - photos, or paints you're doing? Please say paints! 087 is the AFW machine, right? I LOOOVE THAT SCHEME! My all-time fave on T-6/SNJ etc etc.

all paints , 087 a unique paint , i recall seeing it , then it returned to the standard in when retired .

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:46 pm

by Fauville

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 9 2008, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oooopps .. ................1015 Historic ...... very
................1050 Wiggy gate gaurd just sticking around
............... 1023 1950s band , June 1981 WINGS
................1037 10 days ago , .... whoops
................1087 proposed early March 1970 ... so different

I'll get them cleaned up and posted.

Oh yes please! :bow:

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:53 pm

by Fauville

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 9 2008, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mmmmmmmm Harvard ... 10 at night .. what a dream

Saw 10 in formation at WoW 94 - I'll dig out the photo

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:09 pm

by Ian Warren

Fauville wrote:
QUOTE (Fauville @ Feb 5 2008, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Saw 10 in formation at WoW 94 - I'll dig out the photo

yip

, I was there as with i guess many here on this forum have the same photo ! The best Wanakas 92-94-96-98 - i'm going add 2004 i flew in on the Dak , jumpseat home to Wiggy

2002 bloody near kill me ... I was crook on that one , but the Harvards never failed not to please

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:36 am

by K5054NZ

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 5 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
all paints , 087 a unique paint , i recall seeing it , then it returned to the standard in when retired .

A-HA! Then you mean the "GT Harvard"?

Yes please! I've always wanted to see it replicated on a currently airworthy machine! Way too cool!

BTW, got the ZK-MJN paint, thanks a million! And -USM. Just gotta start getting the hang of recolouring these paints to have a more accurate, current representation of NZ1057 so that we have some VARIETY

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