Editing Poll

[Q300]

Far out Mike you must have realy degraded your setings for that one your machine is mint!, Mine dont look like that even with everything set to zero
Looks like FS98 or sumthing

I think because the wining shot is displayed as the sites banner it should look good, Only small editing like colour balance, contrast etc etc... is all good as it does make the shots more presentable as a site banner. In most cases adding photoreal makes the shot look out off place and weird.

Working off a hangover so hope that makes some sence

[creator2003]

OK seeing your not going to demo it i will ,ive spent 30mins doing this and to show you the rule doesnt mean swat..
if i was to use my talents and not one bit of photoshop editing at all i can come up with this ,now does this mean im cheating because i know how to make scenery ????



or this one


or this


???
now within the rules i can and could do this but it would still look like ive cheated and nobody would vote for my shot ...

with my talents its fully within the comp rulz as they are at this moment in time

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (creator2003 @ May 1 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

now within the rules i can and could do this but it would still look like ive cheated and nobody would vote for my shot ...

with my talents its fully within the comp rulz as they are at this moment in time

If people don't vote for 'genuine' shots because they think they are 'cheating', then the deveoper should take that as a huge compliment I reckon. What's more important, winning the contest or having people in awe of jaw-droppingly realistic scenery? (especially if you are the creator). While there may be prizes at stake for winning a contest, people are more likely to remember a great scenery developer longer. Look at how much we all still talk about Phillip Middelmiss, for instance.

[Adamski]

QUOTE (Charl @ May 1 2008, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Here comes the answer, in a blinding flash of inspiration (I am at my best before the day starts).
You could, at the whim of the Banner Boss (=Trolly), have a screenshot comp one month, with present rules.
The next month, or any other month depending on interest, you could have a Special Banner competition where Anything Goes (on a NZ flightsim theme), including Screenshot Art.
That way, both sets of aspirations are satisfied, and the arts of Screenshot, as well as Screen Art, are fostered.

A decent screenshot often just can't be shoe-horned into a letterbox banner shape - so you're putting an artificial restriction on some possibly stunning shots simply because the entrant would also like the kudos of a banner. Also - a banner needs decent type (and a good place to plonk it!) etc. etc.

I agree with Charl. Anyway, TWO competitons can't be bad, Shirley? Two prizes?

[toprob]

QUOTE (creator2003 @ May 1 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Struts are essential Imagine that thing blowing around in a gale...

I'm glad you went to the trouble of making this point. I've taken that into account in my new list of rules, 273 pages so far... Then I though, dammit, that won't be fair on those who don't read well, so I'm back at the drawing board...

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In most cases adding photoreal makes the shot look out off place and weird.[/quote]
...which would surely be reflected in the votes?

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[Ian Warren]

WELL DONE MIKE ... .... CASE CLOSED! ....

[GASKA]

Edit your photos if you want. I dont care any more

[creator2003]

Well i dont really get the idea spilling the comp into two ,whos going to find the extra prize ?do you know hard it is to get someone to give something for free in the first place ??why that would effect companys who give prizes to forums like us ..
its not very likely that two companys would give out a prize each ,this is advertising for them and they wouldn't share the space that they are buying already ,and i wouldnt expect one company to give two prizes for the price they have had one all this time 4..
who cares is something i thought about ,i do care and want our forums and comps fair for all to compete in with everyones talents and artistic impressions left in there own hands ,this rule does restrict what can be done to most of you but as you have see above it could be broken by some of us or some of us could have a better advantage ,i mean i could make a scene up with photoreal buildings and some cool things like grass to help my shot out but would this give me a edge ?
Ive voted on effort /theme and how it was achieved /envoriment /color and how it looks on lcd and cret ,this matters when it comes to the over all look on our banner "the entry gate to our forums"
Things we want to show new users when they come is that we are talented /professional/and they mite learn something new ,there are so many more
the comp entrys for the 737 that i won had a bit of editing with color and blur and i added a fog filter ,pretty simple it looked like what ive seen out there on a early morning
last months was taken in the day time and then i realized helicopters that do this type of work are doing this early morning ,opps my bad so i changed it to look night time ,good thing really as i got rid of the lighting on the buildings in the background ,so more of a dead airport time , nobody mentioned the editing and i still came close to winning so does it really matter i saved abit of time and i my mind gotta a better over all look ?
i like black and white or sepia ,something that stands out from the rest i also like non edits ,just depends
I see that the vote is going to make the rule stick ,i just dont see to many upsides to having it in place seeing there are no upsides it just restricts you all when you do learn new photoshop skills or have the great idea for a banner that will be a winner for sure ,,lol
What are the upsides to having the rule in place ??
is there a level playing field now and anyone can win and that makes it fair
even though this is pretty much settled now anyway ,i think time will tell how this mite effect the over all feel of the forums "you have to look at it for a whole month " Ians month was a good one i just had to laugh everytime i looked at it ...
im still 4 let the VOTING do the work and let the talents flow

[GASKA]

It seems to me that some people want make the rules for themselves.

I say let the users of NZFF decide if they want to edit there pictures let them.

There seems to be lot b*tching and moaning about this issue and frankly I've had enough.



Hacked off - Jim

[kiwibarguy]

I have friends in this forum on both sides. I would like to see them all happy,so why not (as suggested before) to have an edited and unedited competition run consecutively each month.

I fully support my mates who are keen for editing, it is a skill and another form of art, yet for bar tutor's like myself, who don't work as a designer, or have any talent in this field would like to have a competition that i am able to compete in.

Both are fine but both sides need to be respected. Us smokers know what that's like!!!

[GASKA]

QUOTE (kiwibarguy @ May 5 2008, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have friends in this forum on both sides. I would like to see them all happy,so why not (as suggested before) to have an edited and unedited competition run consecutively each month.

I fully support my mates who are keen for editing, it is a skill and another form of art, yet for bar tutor's like myself, who don't work as a designer, or have any talent in this field would like to have a competition that i am able to compete in.

Both are fine but both sides need to be respected. Us smokers know what that's like!!!

[ardypilot]

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It seems to me that some people want make the rules for themselves[/quote] thats exactly how the rule came about ,just so you know the rule has only been enforced for acouple of comps now ,it had run fine for all for about a year and a half sweet without it or any problems .
Id like to hear more reasons and what benefits this rule has than oh my computer or how some mite not have skills or software ,there hasent been any real good defense or reasons behind the rule in placed from my point of view . what benefits does having a rule like this one have for you ?
why does the vote mean so little and a rule so much more to the end result and your choise of banner for each month ,does my edited banner look better than a non edited one or is that up to the voters on the day still ..
it seems that the vote has decided this for us here already ,perfect example of how it works and how a comp without the rule works ..

[kiwibarguy]

Without

With

Somethings just shouldn't be done, but even when they are, they didn't make a difference anyway. So i suppose that i would be happy no matter what the rule. Helen's touch up proves that the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence, that is why i support both sides.

[ardypilot]

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im still 4 let the VOTING do the work and let the talents flow[/quote]
I have to agree with that.

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[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (Trolly @ May 5 2008, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have to agree with that.

Unfortunately there are some people who can't live with that..

You started the forum, can't you make the rules?

QUOTE (kiwibarguy @ May 5 2008, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Without

With

Somethings just shouldn't be done, but even when they are, they didn't make a difference anyway. So i suppose that i would be happy no matter what the rule. Helen's touch up proves that the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence, that is why i support both sides.

So then which picture would you rather have to look at for a whole month?

[greaneyr]

I must admit, now that attitudes have turned positive over this issue in the last 12 hours I'm actually willing to change my vote to allowing all edits and letting the voters decide on what they like.

There's one thing I can't stand and that's conflict on web forums. I've seen it too often where good people are lost over trivial issues.

[creator2003]

So would that mean we mite need a new poll now some mite of changed there minds

[chopper_nut]

Thats the trouble with these things aye, people can get really upset. And the 'Dont have the time/money to upgrade computer, buy photoshop' is a very valid one.

[Ian Warren]

Well its been 2 years , screen shots always showed editing ... this was in the early days , I read the rules .. OK ! I recall many that made me think the PC was not up to it , looking studying shots showed many little addin 's grass, smoke , shade then the normal glow of a edit ... as the lesser found they could not compete , they at least posted ... I have only won two compo's , Christians COOK IS scenery - nice never really use it , the other CAP-SIM ... I gave this to a another member who I considered did a good screenshot , and it was unedited .

Every Shot since has been edited , many still do huge edits , This rule really was broken right from the Very start , So why so much HU HA for somthing that was working .

One stage , the chit chat was stopped .... damm near killed the LINK , nobody was interested .. how so many forget

all this energy typing it could have been creating another month screen shot .......

Now the forum has grown , ....... the people who complain appear to me dont post anything anyway , and if they did post , and IF I did win they probally get the prize from me anyway

SO WHATS THE GRUMBLE , slightly change the first ammendment !

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (chopper_nut @ May 5 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thats the trouble with these things aye, people can get really upset.

Yup. It's because words play a small part of what we actually say. When we only get words and not people's tone of voice and speed of wording their sentences etc, it can become tricky to guess what their mood is. In my experience, I've found writing often makes people seem a lot more stuck up than they really are. I'd just about lay money that if those disagreeing over this were to meet in real life, they'd all get along just fine.