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Postby Kelburn » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:35 am

How many flights would the average domestic Air NZ pilot do (for any aircraft)
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Postby Daniel » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:46 pm

For Beechcrafts, it is around 4 to 6 flights a day (depending on the routes)
For Q300s, it is around 4 to 6 as well. (depending on the routes)
For ATRs anywhere from 2 to 6 (somedays they get longer runs like CHC to Hamilton)
For 737s between 2 and 6 sectors (depends on sector length)

And then I think they only can work a certain amount of days before they have to have a few off.
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Postby Anthony » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:06 pm

A 737 crew would probably get between 2 or 3 and 6 or so sectors in a day I think.
Of course this depends on block time, routes, contract and legal stuff, delays and everything else winkyy.gif
I hear 3 and 4 sectors a day is common, so I think that would be fairly average.

Does anyone know how this compares to Pacific Blue? Or how the Air NZ Link rosters compare to say QantasLink or REX or any other?
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Postby SeanG » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:12 pm

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Does anyone know how this compares to Pacific Blue? Or how the Air NZ Link rosters compare to say QantasLink or REX or any other?


I jumpseated for the *morning shift* starting with the 0645 out of Christchurch, flew 5 sectors; CH-WN-AK-CH-WN-CH and finished about 1500ish.

HTH

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Postby NZ255 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:50 am

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I jumpseated for the *morning shift* starting with the 0645 out of Christchurch, flew 5 sectors; CH-WN-AK-CH-WN-CH and finished about 1500ish.

HTH

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How did that opportunity arise?
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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:15 pm

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How did that opportunity arise?

FLIGHT EXPERIENCE (Pacific Simulation), ..... Alister,s Captain (team leader) ..mmm must be checking operational procedure , i wonder , Sean .. maybe you should stay back in the PACSIM hanger helping Albatross , and i,ll do the follow up flight checks and the romp around the country biggrin.gif
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Postby Anthony » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:05 pm

Cheers Sean.
Lucky you getting to jumpseat. I might ask about it on my next Pacific Blue flight, see if I can convince them to let me (or of course go work for them and sit in the front seats all the time laugh.gif)
Sounds like it's about the same no matter which airline you work for.
Pay might be a different story though winkyy.gif
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Postby AlisterC » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:37 pm

I had a friend write to Pac Blue for a jump seat ride (he is flying Dunedin - CHCH friday) and he was declined. Not an easy thing to get. We have a good relationship with Pac Blue at Pacific Simulators/ Flight Experience. biggrin.gif
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Postby Chairman » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:58 am

If I may I'll take this opportunity to push Flight Level 390 - it's a blog by a US Airbus captain and if you go back to the start and read right through (it'll take a few nights, especially if you read the comments) you'll be left with a pretty fair idea of what life on the line is like ...

If you ask questions in the comments he actually answers them which is pretty cool, a lot of bloggers don't do that, plus there are a scattering of great photos, plus it's generally great reading cool.gif

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Postby AlisterC » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:10 am

Thanks VERY much for the link Gary!
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Postby cowpatz » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:45 am

The number of sectors flown is very much dependent on the respective length of each sector.
B737 aircraft can fly a max of 6 sectors as long as they fit within the maximum daily duty limit.
The duty time limit is normally 11 hours for up to 5 sectors reducing to 10 hours for 6 sectors depending on the duty start time.
Duty time commences 45 min prior to the first flight off blox and finishes at 15 min after the last flight is on blox.
There are many other limits which may affect this such as flight time limits.
Pilots shall not fly more than:
35 hrs in 7 days
100 hrs per 28 days
1000 hrs per 12 months.

These limitations might not sound like much but if you have done a 5 or 6 sector day passing in an out of a frontal system with full approaches everywhere then you will be pretty well shagged at the end of the day!
Remember the 50-50-90 rule. Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong!

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Postby NZ255 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:52 am

Wait a minute....so if 24 hours in a day times 365 days in a year equals 8760 hours.....then you only have to work about 1/9th of the year? Did i do the maths right?
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Postby Daniel » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:49 pm

NZ255 wrote:
QUOTE (NZ255 @ Sep 3 2008, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait a minute....so if 24 hours in a day times 365 days in a year equals 8760 hours.....then you only have to work about 1/9th of the year? Did i do the maths right?


Plus time before and after each flight smile.gif
Normally pilots sign on about an hour before each flight and are still on duty for about 1/2 an hour afterwards. (at least for ATRs. Pilots on the larger aircraft would have to arrive earlier)
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Postby SA227 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:33 pm

QUOTE
Wait a minute....so if 24 hours in a day times 365 days in a year equals 8760 hours.....then you only have to work about 1/9th of the year? Did i do the maths right?[/quote]

You'd do well in management winkyy.gif

If you are working a forty hour week at the office then you're doing 2080 hours a year. If you're flying 1000hrs a year then you are working very hard indeed.
Personally I fly about 350hrs a year, 80% of that is late at night but it suits me just fine.
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Postby deaneb » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:04 pm

Or put another way, the highest houred pilot in NZ (that I know of) is John Harding with an impressive 31,800 hrs plus. He's been an Ag pilot for over 50 years, but still well below a 1000hr/year average. Ag pilots probably rate as the highest houred in NZ - Wanganui Aerowork has some of the most experienced pilots with 4 of them having in excess of 25,000 hours.
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Postby victor_alpha_charlie » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:21 pm

SA227 wrote:
QUOTE (SA227 @ Sep 3 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally I fly about 350hrs a year, 80% of that is late at night but it suits me just fine.


I'm guessing Post or Air Ambulance? biggrin.gif
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Postby NZ255 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:10 pm

victor_alpha_charlie wrote:
QUOTE (victor_alpha_charlie @ Sep 3 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm guessing Post or Air Ambulance? biggrin.gif

I think flying the metro for post.....Andrew right?
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Postby Kelburn » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:36 pm

Your forum name instantly reminds me of a metro... Dunno why
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Postby victor_alpha_charlie » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:28 pm

Kelburn wrote:
QUOTE (Kelburn @ Sep 3 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your forum name instantly reminds me of a metro... Dunno why


Yeah I noticed that too. Must be the 'numbers' Swearingen gave the metro or something.
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