MS Flight due for release on the 29th Feb!

[Ian Warren]

Well mouse control for the cessna and the learjet was ridiculous for early FS , even the mid 80s joysticks were horrid and lasted very limit time spans but today mice have met the carving knife so might be better but only for the novice ....... that,s a thought - don,t ARBUST have ball mouse on their big ones ..

[AirNewZealandA320]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 9 2012,9:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

don,t ARBUST have ball mouse on their big ones ..

Some, along with Boeing.

[cowpatz]

Ssssooooo exciting for all those kiddies out there! Right up there with The Sims and Bebo.

[Timmo]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/tech...html?cmpid=2628

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (AirNewZealandA320 @ Feb 9 2012,10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Some, along with Boeing.

Yeah , Boeings on the ball and ARBUST got the mouse

[Cagles]

Basically, all said and done. MS Flight is putting us on a shelf and trying to get more “casual gamersâ€￾ into flight sim. This is great and all. But putting your main audience away in a corner is not what they should be doing. They are murdering the MS brand namel. Then again, if you want a game you can fly out of the box, anywhere in the world… get FSX. If you want to pay one swift and easy payment of $60 (tops) then get FSX. If you are silly and get MS Flight, which in the long run will cost upwards of $200 just to get the scenery and then you want extra planes? So… I am guessing somewhere along the lines of $400.
This is just ridiculous they are just scamming money from ya. Anyway, the choice is yours. After all, these words I have typed can mean nothing to you unless you understand what I am talking about.

Anyway, I am going to get the free downloadable game to try when it comes out, what is there to lose.

That is my two cents. *Steps down from soapbox*

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Cagles @ Feb 13 2012,6:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That is my two cents. *Steps down from soapbox*

*I step up on the soapbox*

MS Flight , pointless i' ll wait a few years and if its still there , took long time for FXS to mature .. a long time 'SP packs' .. many people still use FS9 - OK .. i was always one to jump on to new but MS this time really put mouse .... Flight sim its spose to be - this one i even signed for a beta test look and could not even be bothered after lack of .. now were is that mouse again .

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 13 2012,8:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

*I step up on the soapbox*

MS Flight , pointless i' ll wait a few years and if its still there , took long time for FXS to mature .. a long time 'SP packs' .. many people still use FS9 - OK .. i was always one to jump on to new but MS this time really put mouse .... Flight sim its spose to be - this one i even signed for a beta test look and could not even be bothered after lack of .. now were is that mouse again .

Still worth a look Ian.......FSX will never die (in my lifetime anyway)so dont worry...... times change my friend.....give it a go at least.

[Cagles]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Feb 13 2012,11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Still worth a look Ian.......FSX will never die (in my lifetime anyway)so dont worry...... times change my friend.....give it a go at least.

Indeed. It would be hypocritical for any of us to judge this before it comes out. But, I don't like the marketing scheme that you have to pay for every little part of the world. Not one lump sum.

If it was a one off payment. And you got addons with time for no extra cost. Then I would be more then interested. But, I think it is going to cost an arm and a leg just to get the whole world complete. I liked FSX. A one off payment for the base pack. Which was great. Then with the Acceleration Pack, you got extras. With Flight, you get a 10 x 10 metre box for "Free" then you have to pay (around) $25 for another 10 x 10 metre box to actaully fly somewhere. I just dont get it.

You dont ask Call of Duty players to pay for individual weapons after getting one map to run around. You don't ask car simulators to get the user to pay money to get extra cars to race. Their logic is flawed in my opinion.

Anyway. I must give it ago before I bust it's balls with a sledge hammer again.

[toprob]

There are plenty of games where you pay for additional maps etc, and these seem to do quite well. Microsoft must have some idea how this would work for them, they've used this model before -- including the Game Room, a Live arcade for Xbox and PCs. You download the framework plus free game packs which you can have a look at, and buy the games you want. For someone like me, this is a good idea, there are a few games from the 'good old days' which I get a big kick out of still.Games cost 240 points, which is just under $4. From memory, you pay a little extra if you want the game for both Xbox and PC.

The good thing about this is that I can just take it to the level I want -- to reproduce the pub games I knew in the 80s would cost around $30-$40, and I started out with my two favourites from the burger bar outside my house when I was first flatting, which cost me $8 all up:)

This is really an extension of the Xbox arcade games which have always been available, for 400 or 800 points. Back when my kids were younger, we would occasionally have a vote on what games we'd buy next, it was a great system, we could spend as much or as little as we wanted.

So for Flight, it might be the ideal system -- anyone can give it a go for free, and if they like it, they might want to spend some money, either straight away, or down the track when they've explored the free bits. There are plenty of potential customers who don't think twice about spending a few dollars for a bit of fun.

But I don't think for a minute that in its present form it'll ever get close to covering the world -- if it lasts 5 years, you might see 10 or 20 areas around the size of Hawaii. People won't be buying these to recreate the world though, they'll look at them as an addon pack for one of their games -- missions, scenery, aircraft etc to extend their fun.

HOWEVER -- there's always a however with me, since I'm a bit of an optimist -- there's nothing to stop Microsoft from taking the resources, development and customer base they've developed in the first few years of Flight to build a proper simulator. Then it just becomes a matter of adding the whole world, ATC, weather etc, and packaging it up as a brand new simulator.

[Timmo]

I had also thought that Robin- 'Flight' clearly isn't intended to be a full blown 'simulator' and so may also not be intended to be part of the 'Flight Simulator' succession. However, income from Flight may fund the common code that the next bona fide 'Flight Simulator' will use. After all, Microsoft probably knows that FSX still has a lot of life in it too: One may as well target a slightly different market with some tweaks to existing code and then further use that code (tweaked again) further down the track when FSX has run out of steam and consumers are ready for a new simulator.

Given the shouts from all sides when it was revealed that the next gen 'Flight Simulator' would not have any backwards capability, perhaps it was thought that it was better to let FSX simmer for a while so that users would be more likely to support the new sim when it does come out.

[Charl]

Some time, somebody, somewhere, will develop an app that will hack it...

[towerguy]

right now I have a lot of hours and money tied up in a still unfinished simulator in my garage - it will be running on FSX. I'm not changing now I've gone this far. So if MS want me to change Sims again then I will - to XPLANE!

Up yours MS!

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (towerguy @ Feb 16 2012,10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

right now I have a lot of hours and money tied up in a still unfinished simulator in my garage - it will be running on FSX. I'm not changing now I've gone this far. So if MS want me to change Sims again then I will - to XPLANE!

Craig , FSX it is ... some dickweed in his orifice < right spell should get his/her hand off the , Cook < meaning JOYSTICK English accent stick his Moose < Canadian for Mouse and stick it in his grandmothers potatoe ! (steamed ) .. Oooo YUK .......

OK whats this have to do with FS .. the whole plan with Flight Simulation and one borne from it is to learn navigation and all types come a fighter plane as the kiddies would called to learning the intricate systems , i have seen a very similar setup to what you are building and when its completed i would spend the airfare to Auckland to test fly it ! ... that will never happen with a grandmothers ole steamy potatoe and a mouse .. and FLIGHT .