Syrian civil war

[Splitpin]

Here we go again , The allies considering yet another tactical stuff up ... and achieve what ? a few more new graves at Arlington and the like .
You have to be honest , the track record isn't great is it ? Iraqi ( resolved ?) Afghanistan (resolved ?) Two!! people i knew (with family) , never came back from there ..... a 100% complete and utter waste of life.
I know they volunteered , i know they knew the risks .... but it wont bring them back, and if we hadn't been party to fact ...ie , sucking up to the U.S , they would be here.


I know kids are being killed , and i feel for them and the families , but this has been going on for thousands of years..... its not our fight.
No one Nation , or even a collective of nations (of which , all have baggage) can proclaim themselves the world police.
Good God .... we are still looking for the " Weapons of mass destruction " that Iran was meant to have.

Oh yes , they can brag "we got Saddam , Osama and Gadaffi" (excuse spelling if not correct ) and achieved what ? ...... its a no brainer .... NOTHING !

I really feel that this could be the beginning of the end , if these people are allowed to make the rules, and implement them.

Dont talk to me about the U.N either , what a complete waste of time ..... list their lasting achievements in the last 10 years ?

I normally back down a little on these rants (after the fact) to suit the group, but not this time , so shoot at will ...... tell me Im wrong , this whole thing gets me soooo angry.

[Dash8captain]

No I agree, It does feel good to type these things down

[Naki]

Your're wrong! ..seriously through I think its more damned if you do or damned if you don't. Yes not our war (or US or UN, NATO or whatever) but there are innocent humans been killed and this day and age we just can't stand by and just watch...although they better be damn sure who fired those chemical weapons before they take shots.....we ignored Rwanda and look what happened there. As for the others (Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq) ...some damned evil guys have now gone from the face of the earth...on the other hand was it really worth it?...perhaps...in Afghanistan in any case IMV...have my doubts about the others

[Splitpin]

Thanks Naki (i mean that) this needs to be talked about ..... i agree "although they better be damn sure who fired those chemical weapons before they take shots.." and i have my doubts about that as well.
Mate (if i may say that )
i know , and I can see the kids and others being killed , and that hurts but this is going on all over the world , as you said Rwanda.... but also in numerous other places.
If this was going on anywhere other the middle east , would there be such international outrage , and threats ..... i dont think so ..... Its sad , it really is , im not sure about anything anymore.

Without wanting to sound too harsh , it seems that ifs theres no oil in the area , who cares.

QUOTE (Dash8captain @ Aug 27 2013,8:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No I agree, It does feel good to type these things down

But maybe i type too much Dash

[J7G]

Syria is behind Australia in the crude oil production stakes*. Your statement is not only wrong in this regard, it is also wrong on an historical level- the US didn't go to Iraq for oil- where's the evidence of that? Where are the convoys of tankers taking Iraqi oil to the US? There aren't any. Why? Because (and who knows what reason the US went in) it wasn't for oil.

As for your statement bemoaning the lack of action elsewhere. Actually yeah, those are all discussed at the UN and resolutions made. This one is different now because, guess what? WMDs are actually being used.

*https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2241rank.html?countryname=Syria&countrycode=sy&regionCode=mde&rank=34#sy

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (J7G @ Aug 27 2013,9:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Syria is behind Australia in the crude oil production stakes*. Your statement is not only wrong in this regard, it is also wrong on an historical level- the US didn't go to Iraq for oil- where's the evidence of that? Where are the convoys of tankers taking Iraqi oil to the US? There aren't any. Why? Because (and who knows what reason the US went in) it wasn't for oil.

As for your statement bemoaning the lack of action elsewhere. Actually yeah, those are all discussed at the UN and resolutions made. This one is different now because, guess what? WMDs are actually being used.

*https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2241rank.html?countryname=Syria&countrycode=sy&regionCode=mde&rank=34#sy

" WMDs are actually being used." ..... by whom? We will never know .J7G , i really want to be wrong , and retract all this .

[J7G]

Yeah nah, we will know after the appropriate investigation. If they've been used, they've- by balance of probability- been used by the governmental forces.

[Ian Warren]

Ive said this before , use the old cut the head of the snake tactic .
Every country in that region has a neighbour they want to cut there heads off , they want to chop into little bits ... you teach them technology and from history give them the means to use the weapon and they will use it .

Solution:

1 - Target any military bases , depot supply airbase and destroy them without warning - taken out some trained military personal (even the sides up)

2 - Remove the media and all outside world contact , no supplying of weapons ammunition or hospital supplies.

3 - Send the troops in but only to patrol the large border so no one gets out .

4 - Let them go for it ! ... they will run out of weapons

Result : If any off them had piece of grey matter up-stairs in their brain cases they may come to realise they need each other ...

MISSION DONE : Over and out

[Charl]

But... how will these chaps then balance their budgets?

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Charl @ Aug 28 2013,12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

But... how will these chaps then balance their budgets?

And to think people go on about OIL , and if you look deeper ... how many components of these weapon of death and destruction are made in New Zealand .... Budgets have to be cut , best thing to do and that would give the media something to target on .

[Charl]

Yeah... just like carbon emissions: YOU go first!

[Ian Warren]

YIP ! .. the most famous of all quotes " Yip make them , but we not think they were going to use them "

[Dash8captain]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Aug 27 2013,8:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks Naki (i mean that) this needs to be talked about ..... i agree "although they better be damn sure who fired those chemical weapons before they take shots.." and i have my doubts about that as well.
Mate (if i may say that )
i know , and I can see the kids and others being killed , and that hurts but this is going on all over the world , as you said Rwanda.... but also in numerous other places.
If this was going on anywhere other the middle east , would there be such international outrage , and threats ..... i dont think so ..... Its sad , it really is , im not sure about anything anymore.

Without wanting to sound too harsh , it seems that ifs theres no oil in the area , who cares.




But maybe i type too much Dash

Na ya dont!!

[Yob]

Part off the problem of going into syria is that, iran has a defense pact with syria (fairly sure about that) which means if they bomb syria then a war starts with Iran aswell. Now the Killing of Kids and using people my age as soldiers is frankly disgusting. I am also convinced that when some protesters started 2 years ago in Syria they did not want a Civil War. But wanted to hold talks.

So i personally think that all women and Kids should be allowed to flee. And the rest of the country should just fight it out. It's not our Business, to stop these people fighting they have done so for 100s of years. Frankly i personally hate any war. In fact i only play DCS for the flight sim part, since my fsx is stuffed on my machine ( bit of explaining there for ya's to say i don't like the combat part (although dogfighting is kinda interesting).

The UN was always doomed, the fact that they gave countries veto rights, like Britain, China, USA, USSR now Russia. Meant that any UN action can be vetoed by a power that has it's own agenda.

And the thing i hate about this part of the world (middle East) is that the different clans started fighting in the beginning by a religious deference, (who was the successor to a man). Now that's why Suni's fight She'a and that. (excuse spelling.)

As for what the UN did in Rwanda is shocking 100 days and over 1 million People got killed. The UN is a Hornless Ram That runs to the Anglo-American's to police the world.

As You said Marty, the killing of women and Kids is disgusting. And as You and Ian said it's not our concern about the Guys there. And if the guys want to fight it out let them and deplete there Damn "power" because the world does not need people like Assad and, The rebels.

Sorry If i Offend any on by my strong views.

[kcgb]

Iran and Russia have warned the US so if they do anything it may become a bit larger than just a civil war :/

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (kcgb @ Aug 28 2013,7:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Iran and Russia have warned the US so if they do anything it may become a bit larger than just a civil war :/

Strangely enough the very same warning was also pointed out that Syria was a boiling pot by ex General Stormin' Norman' Schwarzkopf in the mid 90s, .... so quick people forget the wise word ... in 1991 he also was veto'd and told not to chase the Iraq leader back then , the forget full and wise one who now say told ya so !

[Splitpin]

Sorry i didn't follow up on this (before now) , good to see some intelligent debate result ..... i think i get a little caught up sometime .

I do agree with Yob re the U.N is a " Hornless Ram" no track record at all as far as Im concerned .... and KC "Iran and Russia have warned the US so if they do anything it may become a bit larger than just a civil war "
@ Charl , i think a war is what these guys want (need) to bolster their economies , again , lives mean nothing..... globalist puppeteers , their all the same .

Anyway , Im shutting up about the whole thing from now on .... let it play out , and lets see whats left (if anything) when their done ...

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Aug 29 2013,7:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sorry i didn't follow up on this (before now) , good to see some intelligent debate result ..... i think i get a little caught up sometime .

The "UN" is and has been a pointless community since its introduction, ( a puppet group) running around and maybe better of saving Nuts for the squirrels , maybe should people go to their recent history books , not a "Diki Pedia" but source books on the region , you can't have any off mine .. i need them to follow the goings on , fact is the Best example 'Beirut' in the early/mid 1960's was considered as the 'Jewel of the Middle East ' ... In the late 1970s early 1980s due to corrupt govt puppets and want to get into Western Society the Camel poop hit the fan ... that is well known , trouble is they still are in the entire region thinking along the same lines ... Syria was a cause off many of these problems ... as i said

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Aug 28 2013,11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ive said this before , use the old cut the head of the snake tactic .
Every country in that region has a neighbour they want to cut there heads off , they want to chop into little bits ... you teach them technology and from history give them the means to use the weapon and they will use it .

Solution:

1 - Target any military bases , depot supply airbase and destroy them without warning - taken out some trained military personal (even the sides up)

2 - Remove the media and all outside world contact , no supplying of weapons ammunition or hospital supplies.

3 - Send the troops in but only to patrol the large border so no one gets out .

4 - Let them go for it ! ... they will run out of weapons

Result : If any off them had piece of grey matter up-stairs in their brain cases they may come to realise they need each other ...

MISSION DONE : Over and out

[steelsporran]

I couldn't resist lifting this from CBFS. Marty, read at your own risk.

ALERTS TO THREATS
IN 2013 EUROPE

by JOHN CLEESE

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels ..

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.

Regards,
John Cleese ,
British writer, actor and tall person

And as a final thought -
Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray.
Welcome back to 430 BC.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (steelsporran @ Aug 30 2013,12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

read at your own risk.


Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.



And as a final thought -
Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray.
Welcome back to 430 BC.

Fair whack of the diddle there mate , that is friggen funny ... now what they need to do is make , print these as leaflets in Syrian and bombard the country !

Good ole John Cleese , man with great goosestep !