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by **Timmo** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:22 pm

hehe....now have a look at flying/traning costs for helos....ouchie!

I dunno why I want to go down the helo route (more expensive, more dangerous and less pay)...but I do.

by **ZK-KAG** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:41 am

A185F wrote:
QUOTE (A185F @ Nov 16 2007, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not 100% sure, the NZQA courses are done through tertiary education providers e.g the NAC, IAANZ, waikato AC, AFS (i think) and others are all done in conjunction with NMIT, that could be a good place to start or even NZQA. Dunno how helpfull the caa website will be

Yeah Waikato and AFS as well as NAC are all done through the NMIT...With Air Hawkes Bay done through EIT in Napier. Obviously Massey is done through Massey, and Im sure IAANZ is done through some place in Chch.

by **pois0n** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:42 pm

IAANZ is through NMIT too

by **twinstarda42** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:42 am

Go here for run down and rough pricing of training/studen loan application details etc (Training costs i.e fees summury are for the beginning of 2007 so will likely be go up for 2008 due fuel price etc) http://www.nmit.ac.nz/portal/TemplateID__1...topDefault.aspx

only training providers with any chance of getting a consistent paid twin job not charter are CTC CPP/APC and Waikato Aero Club airline training program.

WAC has an agreement with Sunair aviation to provide up to 15 RHS pilots a year out of Training pending demand and pass of interview with with Sunair + other things for employment with them. got this info from several News item around this area so please don't burn me on this one just going on what I have read.

Plan aims at more pilots
By WARWICK RASMUSSEN - Waikato Times | Monday, 03 December 2007

Hamilton-based Waikato Aero Club and Tauranga-based Sunair Aviation have launched a new airline training programme aimed at getting more commercial pilots in the sky.

Club training manager Gordon Malcolm said the agreement was one of the first in the country to chart a clear pathway from flight training to working in an airline.

Sunair chief executive Dan Power said the development would go a small way to dealing with a shortage of trained flight crew. Waikato Aero Club already trains pilots working towards a diploma in aviation science.

The new scheme will link students who have finished basic training to a pre-employment interview with Sunair and the club. Mr Malcolm said he hoped the programme would put through between 10-15 people each year. It takes effect immediately.

CTC APC course wise 4 gained employment with EAGLE but is not conclusive as most had nearly the amount of hours required as any other potential eagle B1900 applicant, CPP course has not graduated as yet so don't know what their employment prospects are as yet.

cheers.

by **FunkymonkeyNZ** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:56 am

Just reading through this topic and im starting to chew my nails here a bit guys, I've just sent my application (diploma in aviation) in for the july 2008 intake at Southern Wings down here in Invercargill. now i actually went into have a we chat with the Head Pilot/teacher and asked him a few questions, one of the questions i asked was how many students in each class, his response was ten but that figure is going up to about 25 (if that many people inrole) i was like WOW!!! this betta not be like school where the teachers focus on the bright and leave the struggling behind. im not paying $90k to be ignored, but he was telling me they have just brought a new simulator which is awfully expensive so who knows maybe they need the mulla to pay it off?
Just out of interest has anyone heard anything good or bad about Southern Wings Aero school?

by **A185F** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:20 am

I know a few people who went through there and they're doing allright so it can't be that bad. There are far worse places to go !!

by **HardCorePawn** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:33 am

FunkymonkeyNZ wrote:
QUOTE (FunkymonkeyNZ @ Dec 16 2007, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just out of interest has anyone heard anything good or bad about Southern Wings Aero school?

Well I have been looking around, as I am about 90% sure I am going to continue on and do my CPL, and I was thinking I would need to enrol in one of the 'NZQA approved' courses so I could fund it with the studly loan... however a quick chat with the CFI over the weekend has changed my mind and I think I will be able to just continue working and self fund it...

anyway... I had a chat with the guy from Southern Wings and he was very upfront and seemed fairly genuine... he wasnt full of bullshit and didnt try to feed me any cr@p about walking onto the flightdeck of a jet with 200hrs in my back pocket etc...

He said they try and help out with employment insofar that they have contacts with various operators (mostly south island) and will try and point you in the right direction and try and get you a foot in the door, but ultimately it is up to the individual to get out there and secure work.

by **ZK-Brock** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:39 am

There was a big article about Southern wings in a Pacific wings magazine earlier this year. It looked really professional to me, and their alpha 160s looked cool as well.

by **FunkymonkeyNZ** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:48 pm

Yup Hard Core, had a chat with the guy, a real top Bloke, i was interested in what he had to say about future employment, out of the ten students in his class nine of them have gone on to find positions elsewhere, here in NZ and over seas, when i was reading above about Qantas cadets, i highly doubt it that after 5 years of flying that u would be offerd the position of right seat in the 747, seems a bit of bullshit to me but i could be wrong, yea so i guess for all us up and coming pilots here in NZFF shes gonna be a bit of a hard slogg trying to land a job after qualafication, but that doesnt stop us getting there does it! i mean i would love to fly for ANZ one of the most modern fleat in the world, but then again i will be honered to take any position that can promise me the future and courier of being a Captain of a long haul vessle, My fiance is from America so it would be nice to be bassed somewhere in close, like HongKong or Singapore, but who knows huh? We live and breath this stuff ( aviation) and im not going to let any opportunity pass me by after qualification, the only thing im not keen on is being a pilot in the states, i hear she's pretty average pay and really they kinda end up being bus drivers of the sky and the honour and respect a pilot deserves doesnt really show, but as i said again any opportunity to build those hours. :plane:

by **HardCorePawn** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:30 pm

The thing with the Qantas Cadet scheme is, after all your training and your 2 years 'within the Qantas group'... you are not an employee of Qantas, so if they dont need pilots you go and stand in line until they do...

even then, they will take you as a Second Officer... what some people fail to realise is that the other name for this is 'Cruise FO'... as in, the Captain and FO due the take-off... you get to sit in the RHS and play the 'dont touch anything game' once they get established in cruise... then you get to watch as they do the descent and landing...

I have also seen things on PPRUNE about what sort of hours you can and cannot log as an SO... ie. most airlines will let you credit X hours of SO time towards your total time when looking at mins... usually a couple of hundred... which sounds like a lot, but given that a lot of long haul wont look at you until you have upwards of 2000 hours then its not that great...

But, to each their own... as the nice lady at Massey said to me today "You need to evaluate your personal situation and all the options you have available to you and decide what is best for you"...

by **benwynn** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:55 pm

Not true at all HCP. The Job is at "Qantas Mainline" not the "Qantas Group". Though you are correct about the SO. I never said, or anybody else said that your were Guarenteed a Job in the Right Seat of a 747, but the left seat of a 747 above 10000 feet

by **A185F** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:08 pm

Some of the language in this forum is bloody disgusting !!! :rules:

oops ! I didn't just say bloody, was blood I tell ya !! Blood disgusting ! yes that was it. Takes one to know one I spose :lol:

by **FunkymonkeyNZ** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:15 pm

benwynn wrote:
QUOTE (benwynn @ Dec 17 2007, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not true at all HCP. The Job is at "Qantas Mainline" not the "Qantas Group". Though you are correct about the SO. I never said, or anybody else said that your were Guarenteed a Job in the Right Seat of a 747, but the left seat of a 747 above 10000 feet

hahaha Psssh, Bro i still think thats pretty cr@p into...the left seat of the mighty Queen? u know thats the Capt seat right? and after 1000f? by that time the flight crew are just finished running through after takeoff checklists, look dude i dont mean to sound like a dick but u should post this info cause to me it just doesnt sound buyable, have u seen our ANZ 747 pilots? those blokes are well over fifty! well at least all the captains ive meet from my flights on various 777's and 747's. and to say if 5 years from now i could be on a 747 flight crew? that makes me 27...shoot i would sighn my own autograph LoL

by **Alex** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:27 pm

The second officer? On the 747 isn't that the guy who sits behind the first officer (who sits in the right seat), facing out towards the right hand side of the aircraft (at least traditionally)?

Alex

by **Ian Warren** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:13 pm

Alex wrote:
QUOTE (Alex @ Dec 17 2007, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The second officer? On the 747 isn't that the guy who sits behind the first officer (who sits in the right seat), facing out towards the right hand side of the aircraft (at least traditionally)?

Alex

That chap I think was called the F/engineer ... they got rid of him ..... Engineer ..mmm wonder if i could be so lucky .. nah , we will let the rest 'plane nutter guys' explain why he was deleted . :arrr:

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by **towerguy** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:24 am

plug plug plug

another option is an ATC job

spend a couple of years - you get trained in aviation subjects and some of it is cross creditable towards a Bav. You then end up posted to a domestic unit around the country somewhere.

you get a reasonably good income and get to know all the local operators. If flying is still the thing then fine but if for any reason it doesn't turn out that way then you still have a good career fallback and can move into radar or international tower etc and there are plenty of international jobs coming up with good pay options.

there are plenty of airline pilots flogging around NZ that used to sit on this side of the mike previously.

something to think about anyway

cheers :thumbup:

by **Alex** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:57 am

Mmm yea, I was thinking about going that way. But it's a bit tricky to get into, and I don't really want to take 2 gap years when I could be doing something else (training age limit). So I was thinking about giving the AF a shot, and having that (airways) as a fall-back position...

Alex

by **HardCorePawn** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:20 am

benwynn wrote:
QUOTE (benwynn @ Dec 17 2007, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not true at all HCP. The Job is at "Qantas Mainline" not the "Qantas Group". Though you are correct about the SO. I never said, or anybody else said that your were Guarenteed a Job in the Right Seat of a 747, but the left seat of a 747 above 10000 feet

QUOTE

Where will Cadets be employed during the Cadet Industry Placement Program (CIPP)?

CIPP employment will not be with Qantas and may include Regular Public Transport, Charter, Instructional, Regional Airline or other flying. Employment locations may include regional or city areas throughout Australia or the Asia Pacific region.[/quote]

So it looks like it may not even be "Qantas Group"...

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