Violence

[VH-CC1]

as my last post was deleted i'll tone my approach down a lil.

What has those pics got to do with XXXXXX?? (Edited by moderator)
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Why were they posted here to take up more then half a page?


As a member of NZFF am i not allowed to voice my opinion,

after all Whats a forum without members?

[creator2003]

As this is a hot topic i thought id do a goggle search on the subject ,there actully alot on it Good and Bad

intresting i wonder if we will now come up on this goggle short list seeing we have terrorism in the heading ?

[toprob]

Again this is not an attack on any one just purely my opinion on the whole relevance of the subject.

SQ350

The real question is not the relevance of the topic, (this is the off-topic sub-forum, after all) but the acceptability. All topics are considered by at least one moderator, but personally I have no problem with this topic -- sim-acts-of-violence are a time-honoured tradition, going back at least 20 years.
I have spent countless hours playing a game called Flat Out, all good clean fun, but not to everyone's taste. Inflicting the maximum pain and damage on that little rag-doll driver never gets old. Well, maybe it'll be old when I start playing Flat Out II due out soon.
I don't think you really need to worry about anyone "simply re-creating other peoples pain and anguish that they have felt" as it's not really possible to create real pain in this way -- and I doubt that the perpetrators of these acts give any thought to this at all.
It may not be your idea of fun, but for every thousand sim users there are a thousand ways they enjoy themselves -- each to his own, and they are hurting nobody.

[Duckman]

Dude I am seriously getting that game! Nice screenshots, but why aren't you allowed to talk about falcon bowling?

[creator2003]

Nothing to do with not being aloud to talk or post ,i think alot of users these days still have dial up and posting that amount of pics in a hot topic is a real pain in the butt even for some of us boardband users ,sometimes its about using your knogin ,and before anyone one says {you could turn all that stuff off } why should i ...

[SUBS17]

Dude I am seriously getting that game! Nice screenshots, but why aren't you allowed to talk about falcon bowling?

LMAO because it wasn't a deliberate crash but a bad emergency landing, I just happened to be in one of the jets preparing to take off when my wingman decided to land without engines or wheels.

[SUBS17]

I am really seriously starting to question the mentality of some of the people who play FS because if ya find it "fun" or "amusing" to crash into famous buildings/landmarks in FS theres something seriously wrong because it isn't natural considering some of the past real-life events that have taken place in recent years I don't see why any one would want to re-create such events be it within the simulator or real-world you are simply re-creating other peoples pain and anguish that they have felt now I have to state that Im not attacking any one personally but I just cant understand what the relevance is in such a topic being brought up in the first place if you don't like what I have said tell me its absolutely no skin off my nose.

Again this is not an attack on any one just purely my opinion on the whole relevance of the subject.

SQ350

Thats exactly right it brings into question the intentions of the person who started this thread. Hence the derailment , why would anyone wish to re-enact such an event?

[SUBS17]

as my last post was deleted i'll tone my approach down a lil.

What has those pics got to do with violence (edited by moderator)??
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Why were they posted here to take up more then half a page?


As a member of NZFF am i not allowed to voice my opinion,

after all Whats a forum without members?

They are nothing at all to do with violence (edited by moderator) but merely displaying what a decent crash modelling looks like with Physics and CoG modelling. Compare FS to those shots you hit an object and the game stops or if you have a crash mod there might be a crash but nothing as spectacular as what you see there. Its ok to crash in a sim is my point(none of the above crashes were deliberate but merely the result of my own errors while flying which were recorded for later analysis). What is I feel unacceptable is to re-enact some of the events that have happened IRL and also I'd like to point even a monkey can do that anyway.

[Brennanx]

Still stand by my opinion and its only a game do whatever you please... I crash into buildings all the time because straight lines are borring.

[Timmo]

I am really seriously starting to question the mentality of some of the people who play FS because if ya find it "fun" or "amusing" to crash into famous buildings/landmarks in FS theres something seriously wrong because it isn't natural considering some of the past real-life events that have taken place in recent years I don't see why any one would want to re-create such events be it within the simulator or real-world you are simply re-creating other peoples pain and anguish that they have felt now I have to state that Im not attacking any one personally but I just cant understand what the relevance is in such a topic being brought up in the first place if you don't like what I have said tell me its absolutely no skin off my nose.

Again this is not an attack on any one just purely my opinion on the whole relevance of the subject.

SQ350

I suppose the same could be said of anyone that has played pretty much any computer game though? (Doom etc = '"finding it fun to shoot peoples head with a shotgun, Falcon = "Getting fun from dropping bombs on people and buildings", GranTurismo = "Getting fun from driving at 'excessive' speeds) etc etc

Im sure an Iraqi citizen may feel sick to the stomach when he/she sees games simulating warfare againts his/her homeland and im sure they feel sick to the stomach when that reminds them of brothers/sisters/sons/daughters etc killed or maimed by American bombs and bullets. Is there any difference between this and someone flying a boeing into a highrise?

But I guess most of the things that are considered 'fun' are things that are risky or taboo in the real world (Death,violence, speed, weapons, etc)

I think the human mind is very much able to distinguish between the two: The acid test are the persons actions in the real world.


(again, not a strike on you at all SQ350- just adding to the debate)

[Zöltuger]

well you look at those 14-yo kids who shot at the police car during the pursuit on the weekend. maybe played a little too much GTA?
one thing to do it in the game, another to do it in real life.

[VH-CC1]

as my last post was deleted i'll tone my approach down a lil.

What has those pics got to do with terrorism??
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Why were they posted here to take up more then half a page?


As a member of NZFF am i not allowed to voice my opinion,

after all Whats a forum without members?

They are nothing at all to do with violence (edited by moderator) but merely displaying what a decent crash modelling looks like with Physics and CoG modelling. Compare FS to those shots you hit an object and the game stops or if you have a crash mod there might be a crash but nothing as spectacular as what you see there. Its ok to crash in a sim is my point(none of the above crashes were deliberate but merely the result of my own errors while flying which were recorded for later analysis). What is I feel unacceptable is to re-enact some of the events that have happened IRL and also I'd like to point even a monkey can do that anyway.

that doesnt fix the pic problem, it takes up half the page. They should be removed, reposted and a link provided.

[ardypilot]

as my last post was deleted i'll tone my approach down a lil.

As a member of NZFF am i not allowed to voice my opinion,

Your post was deleted because it as over the top- thanks for toning things down.

There is no need to be offensive here- but feel free to debate on the subject. Please try to control yourself, the reason your account was terminated previously was because you failed to do this.

As admin, I have no problem with this topic, or the images posted.

[VH-CC1]

ppl on dialup and ADSL have to wait half a hour for the pics to load.

I still stand by my statement that they should be removed.

Admin might not have a prob with it, but USERS ( members ) net bill goes up waiting for them.

[Airwolf]

ppl on dialup and ADSL have to wait half a hour for the pics to load.

I still stand by my statement that they should be removed.

Admin might not have a prob with it, but USERS ( members ) net bill goes up waiting for them.

If we are refering to waiting several minutes for a load of screenshots to load in a post then I agree.

Why can they not be linked to the screenshot forum instead? The option to turn off these features is not available to those who are not logged in. My cookie cache is cleaned daily so no good you saying log in when I dont need to.

Ok for you with unlimited bandwidth broadband but some of us are living on a budget it puts us off visting somewhwere that eats the bandwidth allowance.

Now to the topic, yes I do fly into buildins sometimes intentionally sometimes not Centrepoint Tower in Sydney is my favourite. Hit it at the correct angle and watch your plane fall apart So that now makes me to be a mass Murderer or some one needing serious mental help?

Dont think so after all Microsoft included these features to be as real as it gets, I do remember pre 911 when flying on Vatsim you could declare a Hijack on your plane. Now its a total no no and the Politically Correct Cotton wool wrap says you are a problem. Ah but then the terrorists of 911 used FS2000 to learn how to fly into building didnt they?

btw, VH CC1 dont you have a forum to?

[VH-CC1]

yup. why?

[Airwolf]

after all Whats a forum without members?

I was agreeing with your points but.................you said it.

[SUBS17]

as my last post was deleted i'll tone my approach down a lil.

What has those pics got to do with terrorism??
&
Why were they posted here to take up more then half a page?


As a member of NZFF am i not allowed to voice my opinion,

after all Whats a forum without members?

They are nothing at all to do with terrorism but merely displaying what a decent crash modelling looks like with Physics and CoG modelling. Compare FS to those shots you hit an object and the game stops or if you have a crash mod there might be a crash but nothing as spectacular as what you see there. Its ok to crash in a sim is my point(none of the above crashes were deliberate but merely the result of my own errors while flying which were recorded for later analysis). What is I feel unacceptable is to re-enact some of the events that have happened IRL and also I'd like to point even a monkey can do that anyway.

that doesnt fix the pic problem, it takes up half the page. They should be removed, reposted and a link provided.

Are you intending on going back to the previous page? I think a better idea is to rename the topic "crash modelling 56k will die!" And then I'd like to invite everyone to post some of their own crashes. Surely I ain't the only one who has nice pics of crashes.

[Airwolf]

Point is thats what a screenshot forum is for! Whay is it so hard not to say in your post hey look here for my screenshots?
Probably the fault of how this board is set up enabling willy nilly screenshot postings. Everytime I visit this forum without logging in I see a data spike on bandwidth.

[toprob]

Following the discovery that the subject of this topic is in fact against the Invision forum rules, I've changed it slightly. I hope that this preserves the original poster's intention. Please refrain from using the T word when you add to this lively debate