Say what?

[HardCorePawn]

Did i read robin's post in the now locked 'terrorism'/violence thread correctly? We're not allowed to mention, let alone discuss, terrorism??!?

Surely, you can't be serious...

[pois0n]

Durka durka mohammed jihad

[toprob]

Yes and no. If you click on the Terms of Use link at the bottom of each page, you get this:
3.1 Prohibited Content:
Users may not post, upload, link to, or email any Content that contains, promotes, gives instruction about, or provides prohibited Content. Prohibited Content includes any Content that breaks any local, state, county, national or international law. Prohibited Content also includes: (a) Content that infringes upon any rights (including, but not limited to, copyrights and trademarks); (b) Abusive, threatening, defamatory, racist, or obscene Content; © Viruses or any other harmful computer software; (d) False information or libel; (e) Spam, chain letters, or pyramid schemes; (f) Gambling or Illicit drugs; (g) Terrorism; (h) Hacking or cheating Content for internet/online games; (i) Warez, Roms, CD-Keys, Cracks, Passwords, or Serial Numbers; (j) Pornography, nudity, or sexual material of any kind; (k) Excessive profanity; (l) Content that is invasive of privacy or impersonation of any person/entity; and (m) Hacking materials or information.
Repeat copyright infringers will have access to InvisionFree terminated.

The actual clause here is quite circular, and doesn't really make it clear. Personally I find the reference to terrorism US-centric and not applicable to our forum here, but rules is rules, and we don't want to jeopardise the forum.
Of course I personally believe that using the word 'Terrorism' is not a crime, and I am not a crook...

[HardCorePawn]

Ahhh ok....

Firstly... IANAL[1]

but I would interpret that clause as meaning that Terrorism 'content' is prohibited... but then you would need to define 'terrorism content'... so I would say that would mean pics/video of 'terrorism' and possibly links to the same... also instructions on how to commit acts of terrorism and comments designed to incite acts of terrorism...

I think discussing (in the academic sense) and/or debating terrorism however would (should?) fall under free speech.

[1] in the grand tradition of slashdot... IANAL = I am not a Lawyer

[toprob]

My sentiments exactly -- when I tried to get my head around the clause I got a bit dizzy. The more I think about it, the sillier it seems -- it cannot relate to discussions on terrorism, as that would be crazy -- it is a subject discussed over every water cooler in the world -- and those who wish to promote terrorism are not going to say, hey, come be a terrorist with us, are they? It would be phrased a little more flowery.
My own view is that all war-mongering military nations seize upon simple phrases to manipulate the population into funding their war. They've done this for thousands of years, and always will, I guess. 'Evil-doers' and 'Terrorism' have taken on a new meaning in the US, but luckily it doesn't apply here in NZ.

[Duckman]

I think discussing such a thing is a good idea. You can show your viewpoint, and by doing this people can see the general attitude towards terrorism. So rather than simply having your own viewpoint, you can possibly change it to be more correct and accepted in society today.

[SUBS17]

Ahhh ok....

Firstly... IANAL[1]

but I would interpret that clause as meaning that Terrorism 'content' is prohibited... but then you would need to define 'terrorism content'... so I would say that would mean pics/video of 'terrorism' and possibly links to the same... also instructions on how to commit acts of terrorism and comments designed to incite acts of terrorism...

I think discussing (in the academic sense) and/or debating terrorism however would (should?) fall under free speech.

[1] in the grand tradition of slashdot... IANAL = I am not a Lawyer

What often can happen when political threads are started such as the thread on Terrorism is people can offend other people on the forum when things get heated. Its better to keep politics as such away from good decent flightsim forums such as this one. Also eventhough this forum is on the internet it still is covered by NZ law as such if owned by a NZer and political debates can lead to a point where they may break the law as such or exceed the rating of the website. In which case you would infact have to think about making the age limit 18+. Thats the reason why the forum has rules, I recall a forum for flight simmers in the past which had a G rating and even the word beer was censored.(that was a US site and under US law it was one of the conditions the forum owner placed on the forum) The other thing is the site could also attract the attention of the wrong people and the result is the forum getting hacked or heavily spamed as a result.

[ZKTOM]

Terrorism has completely changed the face of aviation. It has turned it from one of the friendliest to one of the harshest and most suspicious industries(Airport Security). We are LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY in NZ as there are no serious threats here. I'm sure overseas in some countries, if you say the word hijack you would be in big trouble.

Forums like NZFF are good to discuss peoples queries etc. and also look at issues like terrorism from another point of view. Remember 9/11 was a success for Osama Bin Laden yet a tragedy for the US people.

[Duckman]

Yea I'd say!!! It has quite literally turned aviation upside down! I would have thought it was an important and completely appropriate topic to discuss here I travel through America twice a year on average, and you wouldn't believe how stressful and hard it is now there is all the terrorism threats. And all in the name of protection against some nutter who wants to blow you up?! I thought airline travel was supposed to be fun and enjoyable?