Greetings from the Ukraine ...

[hasegawa]

Yakovlev Yak 42D
Liviv Airlines, UR 42369 at Lviv...


Yakovlev Yak 42D
Dniproavia UR 42426 at Lviv..


Yakovlev Yak 42D
Dniproavia UR 42426 at Lviv..


Yakovlev Yak 42
Donbassavia, UR 42383 at Nikolaev




Boeing 737-400
Ukraine International Airlines, UR-GAO, at Odessa


Boeing 737-300
Aerosvit, UR-VVA, Kiev-Borispol


Antonov An 74,
ACS Air Charter Service PLC, UR-CAC


Antonov An 74
Kharkov State Aircraft Manufactoring Company, UR 74007


Antonov An 74T
Antonov Airlines, UR 74010, Simferopol




Antonov An 24RW
Lviv Airlines, UR 46305, Screen taken at Lviv


Antonow An 24RW
Aerosvit, UR 47311, Lviv


Antonow An 24RW
Ukraine National Airlines, UR 47308, Nikolaev


Antonov An 24RW
UM Air, UR 47311, after takoff in Simferopol





Antonov An 12B
Air Force of the Ukraine

The Ukraine is a country between Russia and EU-Europe... and this is not always easy. And so we have Boeing 767´s and 737´s , Yak´s, Antonov´s (they are from us, from Kiev!), this year Airbus A319´s. A lot of Tu 134´s, Tu 154´s and other aircraft frome the soviet time are meanwhile gone... But there is much to do in the next time...

[HardCorePawn]

and the ugliest plane of the day award goes to....

QUOTE (hasegawa @ Mar 7 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Antonov An 74,
ACS Air Charter Service PLC, UR-CAC

[Charl]

...does the job though.
Hasegawa, does the AN-74 have Upper Surface Blowing to increase lift?
Sure looks lke it.

Great series of shots, some excellent sceneries there, whose are they?

That Yak 42 is an absolute stunner, too.

[Ian Warren]

Nice to see Antonov back , the AN12's visited NZCH in the 60s for the Russian Antarctic program , just have to love all these Rusky types , looking forward to further updates

[hasegawa]

First thanks for the comment´s. Well, flying in the Ukraine is a Niche, but, we are a part of Europe to... often forgotten and not a "rich" country, but with nearly twice the area (233,090 sq mi) of Germany and 46 Millions of people. But sadly we lost in the last 6 years 2.5 millions of people because of economic emigration and "sex- and marriage tourism." (yes, in this order, I feel it with pain)

Let´s beginn with the Antonov An 74. This aircraft may be ugly, but it is a good construktion. It is in the same range like the Boeing YC-14 and Lockheed YC-15, build to replace the Lockheed C-130 Hercules. But in the United States, these programm has been stopped, because the lobbyist´s of Lockheed saw the danger and political reasons stopped that programm. And yes, the main feature of all these aircraft is using the so called "Coanda-effect" for Upper Surface Blowing.

Iam not technican, but here is the article about this in the wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coanda-effect

The Antonow An 72/74-type may be not a beauty, but it is a useful aircraft in sibiria, in arctic regions and to fly to rough airfields with short runways. It is an effective STOL-aircraft. With the same payload like the older Antonov An 26 turbopropp it is faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-72

The scenerys are from avsim.ru, not easy for foreigners, because of the russian registration. If there is interest, I can help and make a "checklist" how to ...

Something like the aircraft you can find here:

http://samdimdesign.free.fr/
Samdim Design Group, led by Dmitri Samborski
Here you can find the Yak 42, the Antonows and other aircraft of soviet and russian design (Ukraine to!) For the Yak 42 and the other aircraft are better panel at avsim.ru. The "original" of this Yak here for example is very functional and acurate but optical not the best and has no VC.

http://www.avpu.org/

This is the entrance to flying in the Ukraine, the home of the Ukraine virtual Pilots. Under "Downloads" you can get

UKBB Kiev Borispol
UKKK Juliany (Kiew, with the AI-Museum of soviet aircaft)
UKLL Lviv
UKOO Odessa (the finest of the scenerys in my eyes)
UKFF Simferopol, Crimea
UKON Nikolajew, my hometown

Charts are also available.

Hope, this is another view of europe, and I hope not "the forgotten part of Europe."

Андреас

PS: Yes Ian, I am working, next we have the Il 86, the Il 96, the Tu 134...

[s0cks]

Don't worry hasegawa, less people is actually a good thing.

[hasegawa]

It is not a good thing... we have a great difference. For 1000 woman we have around 620 man, looks good? Not really, we have to much unwelcomed US-american Sex tourists here and the AIDS-risk is the greatest in Europe. We are meanwhile the european Thailand. It is a worst feeling, to see this day by day. We are proud but poor, often enough. It is not easy...

[Charl]

Many thanks for these pointers, without you I don't think too many would have considered going that little bit further eastward from Europe...
Co-incidentally I've just ordered Aerosoft's Budapest scenery, and may well fly on to the Black Sea from there on my next trip - Odessa looks like a weighty bit of scenery.
I've met a number of Ukrainians in NZ, many from Kiev...they speak of difficult times.

[hasegawa]

Yes, the times are difficult here. 2.5 Millions of people can´t make a mistake and I must understand the emigrants. We miss many of them here. But many of them working only in foreign country´s, in Germany and the UK for example. Look. In the soviet area Nikolaev has around 570.000 inhabitants. Now we have here around 509.000 (2004) but meanwhile I think we lost another 50.000 ... The warf´s, wich build the soviet aircraft carriers are now nearly closed. 42.000 workers lost the jobs. Nikolaev has a university for shipbuilding, but no hope for the students. This is the other side of independence.

Charl, sorry the scenerys are for FS 2004 only. In reality I fly very often from Odessa via Budapest to Berlin Tegel with Malev Hungarian Airlines. If You have the PMDG Boeing 737-700 it is near the reality... In the freeware maybe at avsim.com is also a Scenery of Prague, another version of this trip. You can fly from Berlin with OK-Jet CSA with th Flight 1 ATR 72 and from Prague to Odessa also with CSA with the feelthere/Wilco Boeing 737-500.

[s0cks]

Yes, but its better to have less people than be over-populated. Obviously you want an even number of both sex's but you get what I mean. For example, I wouldn't want to live in a Chinese city.

BTW, I take it you speak Russian in Ukraine? If so I would imagine that is why there is a lot of Antonov's? I admire the Russians when it comes to stuff like this. They have been the first to build some pretty impressive stuff. Tu144 anyone?

[hasegawa]

In the Ukraine we have a russian Minority. My girlfriend was born in Krasnoyarsk (today Russia) for example. My neighbors are from Kazakhstan. It was a part of the soviet politics to mix the nationalities. But the Ukraine has its own history, language and she has not much to do with Russian. In reality we have sometimes problems with this. Last weekend I was with my girlfriend in a gallery... and the text under the paintings was Ukrainian only. I am a "born" German and live and working in the Ukraine. I found my love here, you know. Now I am half Ukrainian and I stay here with my girlfriend and go not with her to Germany, because of the bureaucracy. Yes, I have a german Passport, but deep in my heart, I feel Ukraine. I only speak Russian, Ukraine is not easy for me and I have much to do to learn it. At work it is no problem, Russian is the second language here.

Sorry, much privacy...

Note... Ukraine is not the same!

Antonov, the former soviet OKB Antonov was foundet in Kiev on the 31.05.1946. It is now a state ukrainian Company, ANTONOV Aeronautical Scientific/Technical Complex with Headquater in Kiev. Production plants are in Kharkiv, Ukraine, Novosibirsk, Russia and Tashkent, Uzbekistan, because of the former soviet geographie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov
This is not very acurate.

Sorry, the site of Antonov is not working at the moment.

Note... it is Ukraine, not Russia... we have many connections (and a lot of trouble) with Russia and we are not "the same".

[s0cks]

QUOTE (hasegawa @ Mar 7 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

In the Ukraine we have a russian Minority. My girlfriend was born in Krasnoyarsk (today Russia) for example. My neighbors are from Kazakhstan. It was a part of the soviet politics to mix the nationalities. But the Ukraine has its own history, language and she has not much to do with Russian. In reality we have sometimes problems with this. Last weekend I was with my girlfriend in a gallery... and the text under the paintings was Ukrainian only. I am a "born" German and live and working in the Ukraine. I found my love here, you know. Now I am half Ukrainian and I stay here with my girlfriend and go not with her to Germany, because of the bureaucracy. Yes, I have a german Passport, but deep in my heart, I feel Ukraine. I only speak Russian, Ukraine is not easy for me and I have much to do to learn it. At work it is no problem, Russian is the second language here.

Sorry, much privacy...

Note... Ukraine is not the same!

Antonov, the former soviet OKB Antonov was foundet in Kiev on the 31.05.1946. It is now a state ukrainian Company, ANTONOV Aeronautical Scientific/Technical Complex with Headquater in Kiev. Production plants are in Kharkiv, Ukraine, Novosibirsk, Russia and Tashkent, Uzbekistan, because of the former soviet geographie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov
This is not very acurate.

Sorry, the site of Antonov is not working at the moment.

Note... it is Ukraine, not Russia... we have many connections (and a lot of trouble) with Russia and we are not "the same".

Ah yes. I know you are seperate. I should have said do you also speak Russian. Obviously the Ukraine have their own language. Didn't you guys have a revolution to break free of Russian ties? Anyway, going a bit off-topic! Lol.

[hasegawa]

Sorry,
Yes, the second language here in the Ukraine is Russian. You have no problems here, if you speak Russian and I speak it good enough. Iam from the former eastern part of Germany and Russian was my second language. So it was not so hard for me to go to the Ukraine. And love make something much easier...

Well the Ukrainian Revolution was not, what we normaly understand us such. It was first not a revolution, it was more a transformation after the Soviet Union imploded. And the Revolution was later against the influence of Russia to Ukrainian Politics with another "satelite President" like in Belarus. But... the trials of Russia, to undermine Ukraine politics and to make trouble with unacceptable prices for the delivery of oil and gas, this is for us very present.

Yes I think, it may "a little bit off topic", but it cost me nothing to answer.
I hope, that the admin of the forum has some grasp for me.

[ardypilot]

Thanks for the links... the Coanda Effect one was actually very enlightening... I'm not sure I follow the physics 100%... but its midnight and I only skim read it

One other advantage I can see, in addition to the added lift of the Coanda Effect, is that it keeps the engines away from the ground and potential FOD... would be quite useful on wintery/icy runways etc.

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Note... it is Ukraine, not Russia... we have many connections (and a lot of trouble) with Russia and we are not "the same".[/quote]

And I understand exactly what you mean... its like when people say Australia and New Zealand are "the same"

[ZK-MAT]

Thanks for the pictures and details of the planes, they are a refreshing change from the "gotta be Boeing" diet we get here. Thanks also for sharing a part of your country with us.

[ardypilot]

A very interesting topic, always great to see flight simulation from another perspective- I had no idea it was so big on Russian scene. The airport scenery and aircraft all look fantastic, just love that An 74, I have Samdim's simular Antonov An 148 (with a fictional Air New Zealand repaint to boot) with the high winged jet engines and love it, have you got a link to the 74 mentioned above?

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I hope, that the admin of the forum has some grasp for me.[/quote]
I love learning about foreign countries and their culture, lifestyle and history and have found your postings very informative. In the 90's our family was involved with a lot of charity work helping out the homeless in Kiev, so the Ukraine has always had a place in my heart and I hope to visit one day! I'll be travelling to Britain and Germany later in the year and if I have enough $ (which I properly won't), I'd love to detour around the 'Eastern Block' countries.

[hasegawa]

Andrew, yes, visit the Ukraine!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

We have much to see. For Kiew alone I guarantee You enough stuff for 1 week... Odessa is also very nice and for recovery fly to Simferopol and visit the Crimea... or go to around Cherson swimming in the Black Sea. For aviation entusiasts with relations to soviet aircraft we have in Kiev Zhulyany a Museum. Star of the collection is the first prototype of the Ilushin Il-86.

http://www.avia-museum.org.ua/
Sorry, English version is not working at the moment, but You can see some pictures.

Private annex:

Yes, as tourist you see not only the good sides of the Ukraine, but it is a charming country. As a man with a German passport and only "half" Ukrainian I see something different like the Ukrainians itself, but I like the people and I found my girlfriend and future wife here.
Germans are colder, you know. This was the point to go away from the rich country of Germany to the poor Ukraine. Yes, in Germany I can make more money, but the people here in the Ukraine have more heart and have given me as a foreigner and a German (see the history 1941-1945) a warmth welcome. So I have a good live in the Ukraine, but I see also the problems very sharp and often I feel with the country and see with bitterness some aspects of live here, like the corruption, the prostitution, the nearly absence of state health care... but it is now my country, German passport or not. I hope you and the other of this community understand me.

O.k., let´s go to flying business.

The used aircraft are from Samdim and Projekt Tupolew. (not the Boeing 737, but the rest )

http://samdimdesign.free.fr/

Have look at the brandnew CAP-10 for both FS 2004 and FS X...
The Antonov An 24 is version 2. The next is in the works. Very interesting aircraft in my eyes are the An 24, the Tu 114 and Tu 124. All of them are complete aircraft, that can match some Payware. The An 74 is less. It has a good looks and a good aerdynamic modell but the Panel did not meet my requirements. For a better panel, look at

http://www.avsim.ru/

Yes, it is Russian, but not Russion only. Inside is a side-interpreter and this works well and an english forum for problems with russian aircraft. If there is interest from this community I make a sepearte thread with the steps for the registration at avsim.ru

The good thing is a sharp rating for the files at avsim.ru. If you find files with the rating 4... 5 you know, this is good stuff.

Okay, next on the list.

Projekt Tupolev.

http://www.protu-154.com/index_e.html
Here Ypou can find the older Tu 154B-2

http://www.fs-proteam.com/products.html?op...pw_patt=catalog
... and here the more modern Tu 154M

Here are the Tu 154-Airliners. In my eyes the most interesting and the most complex freeware-aircraft....


http://www.protu-154.com/forum/index.php?s...a2756b9f865dea2

Maybe some of the comunity have the Freeware Protu Tu 154B-2 or the new Tu 154M (in my eyes the best, but also the most complex FS-Aircraft) or the Ilushin Il 62, the SCS Tu 134A-3, the Yak 42 and problems. Here You can find help in English, German, French and Russian of course.

Okay, I reaserch further, if there is interest.

Now it is time for me.

In the next time I think I have a good Ilushin Il 96-300/400 for you.

[ardypilot]

Awesome shots mate!! That AN74 is cool and it really deserves more recognition! Stick some glass up front & some winglets and shes can be An-74NextGen

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In the next time I think I have a good Ilushin Il 96-300/400 for you.[/quote]

Looking forward to that!!!!

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[hasegawa]

The new updated An 74 is underway... and it is produced in Austria!

Because of an american embargo for delivery of some avionic things to the Ukraine the final assembly for An 74 with western Equipment is in Salzburg/Austria in the future. Iam not very lucky about this, because we urgently need the jobs not elsewhere but in the Ukraine... But only so we can sell aircraft to the EU-countries and to the United states in the future. Sometimes it was a alternative for the German and French Air Force to buy some An 74 as replacement for the aging C-160 "Transall" in Germany and France. But the plan failed because of political reasons (not in France!) but in Germany. Now Airbus build the A 400M but it flies around 2010 maybe...

[ardypilot]

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but the people here in the Ukraine have more heart and have given me as a foreigner and a German (see the history 1941-1945) a warmth welcome.[/quote]
I hope that is the same for me being a British citizen! In reality I don't expect I will be able to make it there on my OE trip during 2008 but I hope to another time in the future.

Thanks for the aircraft links, I'll get busy downloading them. I already have Samdim's amazing CAP-10 and a few Tupolevs- I've always loved the Russian military craft from watching James Bond movies as a kid