Hamilton International Airport Upgrades

[twinstarda42]

QUOTE (Kelburn @ Mar 31 2008, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

VAC good point.

Remember a 747SP and 767 both are not nearly at MTOW when they leave as WN-SY or MEL is really short compared to some routes they do.

you have got to remember Airlines have their own OP orders on aircraft operations, no use quoteing manufacturers specs.

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (twinstarda42 @ Mar 31 2008, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

you have got to remember Airlines have their own OP orders on aircraft operations, no use quoteing manufacturers specs.

Not only that, but your point still stands - a B763 has a shorter runway at MCTOW than the 747SP does. It figures this rule continues to apply as the types start to weigh less.

[victor_alpha_charlie]

No but really, I mean what? Hey, let's go get rained on!

[twinstarda42]

QUOTE (Daniel @ Mar 31 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Guys

I have NO Support for Hamilton Airports idea.


Exactly, would would they do in Hamilton?
I would like see Wellington get bigger aircraft like the 767 however.

Cheers
Daniel

not going to happen unless wellington airport extends the runway, also what would anyone want to do wellington for that Matter?

QUOTE (brotonee @ Mar 29 2008, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4455373a11.html

New Zealand is currently served by two pretty big international airports, AKL and CHC, not to mention that HLZ and other airports currently have intl service from Aus and the numerous other airports vying to get intl service (see this thread).
I'm not sure who would be keen to serve NZ using an airport that isn't AKL or CHC.
Many airlines already serve AKL, but not CHC as they feel they don't need to serve two NZ airports, let alone three.

In the NZ Aviation Thread at A.Net somebody suggested HLZ as a diversion airport, but that's obviously not what the HLZ Airport Company has in mind, and CatIIIb kind of makes it redundant.
Somebody else suggested that Air Asia X could use it, as apparently they couldn't use AKL because Malaysia has a restriction on Air Asia X.

I would hate to see money invested into something that won't work, and I have doubts about HLZ being successful as a major intl airport, but I guess it could work, especially for LCCs.

Cheers
Anthony

Probably off topic but to all you doom sayers out their re: hamilton this is from Atco in hamilton off a pprune thread:

Hamilton based atco: The current procedures didn't happen overnight...and are the product of extensive customer consultation, trial, and amendment. Those of us that use them day-in-day-out find that they work pretty well, and allow us to move a large amount of traffic...more than any other tower in the country that deals with (primarily) IFR/VFR training traffic and IFR RPT operations. I believe we are the 2nd busiest tower overall and we do that between the hours of 6am and 8pm, wereas the busier tower (and the other 2 INTL towers) are 24/7!!

[Rebound]

I hear the magical pumpkins wellington airport is designing will provide magical flights to melbourne on halloween only!

[Anthony]

QUOTE (twinstarda42 @ Apr 1 2008, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Probably off topic but to all you doom sayers out their re: hamilton this is from Atco in hamilton off a pprune thread:

Hamilton based atco: The current procedures didn't happen overnight...and are the product of extensive customer consultation, trial, and amendment. Those of us that use them day-in-day-out find that they work pretty well, and allow us to move a large amount of traffic...more than any other tower in the country that deals with (primarily) IFR/VFR training traffic and IFR RPT operations. I believe we are the 2nd busiest tower overall and we do that between the hours of 6am and 8pm, wereas the busier tower (and the other 2 INTL towers) are 24/7!!

I'm not sure I understand quite what you/he actually mean, but I have no doubts that Hamilton couldn't deal with intl traffic from a OP's point of view (i'm sure they could).
But regardless, there is little point to Hamilton getting service from Asia/the US and I doubt it will happen.

I could be totally misunderstanding what you're actually getting at though.

LOL at Rebound's comment

Cheers
Anthony

[twinstarda42]

QUOTE (brotonee @ Apr 1 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm not sure I understand quite what you/he actually mean, but I have no doubts that Hamilton couldn't deal with intl traffic from a OP's point of view (i'm sure they could).
But regardless, there is little point to Hamilton getting service from Asia/the US and I doubt it will happen.

I could be totally misunderstanding what you're actually getting at though.

LOL at Rebound's comment

Cheers
Anthony

no you quite right that comment was out of context and frankly way off topic, just an indication of the fact it is a busy airport, apologies for lack of clarity, I think in regards to the US/Asia they have polled a few thousand people( but polls are usually wrong) if they would prefer bypassing auckland as an entry/exit point and the majority came back as yes or something to that effect-cheers

[towerguy]

by the time you add up all the fog affected days at HN all you are really doing is increasing the total movements at AA as we deal with all the diverts


also - polls in the US? recently it was found over 30% of American students couldn't point out the USA! on a world map (think it was in the herald.), how would they know where Auckland even was, and that hamilton was an option to bypass it?-

[benwynn]

WTH???

[twinstarda42]

QUOTE (towerguy @ Apr 3 2008, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

by the time you add up all the fog affected days at HN all you are really doing is increasing the total movements at AA as we deal with all the diverts


also - polls in the US? recently it was found over 30% of American students couldn't point out the USA! on a world map (think it was in the herald.), how would they know where Auckland even was, and that hamilton was an option to bypass it?-

Funny thing is a large percentage actually do know where NZ is these days due to movies made here in the past few years, another uninteresting fact Ham Tower claims second busiest, Airports company claims 4th, Ham airport website home page = Hamilton International Airport is the fourth busiest airport in New Zealand.

these may or may not have something to do with upgrades and was the poll I was refering to sorry got it backwards it was a domestic one:
EXPORT FREIGHT SURVEY UNDERWAY.
05 March 2007

Hamilton International Airport and regional economic development group, Katolyst, have jointly commissioned research to find out more about the airfreighting needs of exporters in the Waikato and Bay of Plenty.
The study will be undertaken by Hamilton-based independent research company, Versus Research.

Regional members of Export New Zealand and other exporting and importing organisations will participate in the project.

The research project is the first step in developing a business case for a runway extension and development of a freight and distribution hub in and around the airport land holding.

The research will identify volumes of airfreight exported from the region through Auckland International Airport.

It will also assess the quantity of airfreight being trucked passed the airport on State Highway 1 and 3.

According to airport chief executive Chris Doak and Katolyst's CEO, Graham Smith, "Who is moving what to where, and how often is an important question to answer"Â￾, they said.

"What we are trying to really identify is the potential demand."Â￾

Trends are showing that world-wide airfreight has been growing faster than passenger growth, with 35 percent of total world exports going by air.

Currently Hamilton International Airport is processing only low volumes of freight.

Mr Doak puts this down to the airport¹s limitations on runway length required by dedicated freight operators and larger wide-bodied passenger aircraft.

"It¹s critical for the airport to establish the benefits of a runway extension to 2720m in view of the estimated $5.5million investment required,"Â￾ he said.

"If we were to extend the current 2195m runway out to 2720m, this would give Hamilton the third longest runway in New Zealand.

"At this length, we would then have a runway capability to enable new generation aircraft to reach China and the west coast of the United States."Â￾

Mr Doak said that in time freight opportunities would help underpin passenger services to new destinations and make them sustainable.

http://www.hamiltonairport.co.nz/main.cfm?id=24&nid=28

Property Joint Venture Announced
20 February 2008


Hamilton International Airport and McConnell Property today announced a joint venture partnership to develop a major commercial and industrial park on airport owned land.

Hamilton International Airport is a wholly owned by five local councils and is sited strategically between state highway 1, 3 and 21 in the heart of one of New Zealand's largest export regions.

Once rezoning of the airport land is completed, anticipated in mid 2008, the joint venture will be an equal shareholding between the airport company Waikato Regional Airport Limited, and McConnell Property. The relationship is highly complimentary.


The airport company has the land but lacks the resources and expertise to develop it. McConnell Property is part of the McConnell Group of companies which has been responsible for delivering some of New Zealand's most complex projects.


Airport chairman Jerry Rickman said, "We are delighted to be partners with McConnell Property and we are looking forward to capitalising on the business parks strategic location.


"McConnell Property is a well respected and experienced developer with a heritage of delivering large scale land development projects in the greater Auckland and Waikato regions."Â￾


McConnell Property chief executive Martin Udale said, "We are pleased to form this important new partnership with Hamilton International Airport as we believe creating long-term value from this prized land holding will have a significant and positive impact on the Waikato region."Â￾


Hamilton Airport chief executive Chris Doak said,"Â￾ an extensive due diligence process had been undertaken to ensure that the airports aeronautical interests have been protected for the long term while maximising the value of surplus land holding surrounding the airport."Â￾

It is the intention of the joint venture that this business park development will set a new yardstick for quality, diversity, and sustainability, and will be one of the foremost business locations in the Waikato region.


Doak added, "We intend to develop and market the business park with a range of freehold and leasehold options for all sized businesses, and this mixed tenure will create a high quality business community comprising a balanced mix of commercial, industrial, clean manufacturing and aviation use."Â￾


There will be significant and ongoing economic benefits to the regional economy as a result, including an estimated 5,000 people to be employed on the business park when completed.


The business park will fully complement and support the Airport as a strategic asset for the region, and the surrounding road and services infrastructure will be upgraded as part of the development.

The business park will also help support the planned aviation cluster for the area and will improve Waikato transportation.


There will also be social and environmental benefits to Waikato, as it will be a high quality and planned business park that will include a range of clean uses.


The master-plan will embrace leading environmentally sustainable design principles. Udale added, "Connections to the local community and wider social benefits will be encouraged as part of the development.


"Consultation has already been undertaken with iwi and other key stakeholders and we believe there is widespread support for the planned improvements.


"The joint venture has a long-term commitment to the business park and to ensuring its success."Â￾


Rickman concluded, "We are looking forward to working with McConnell Property and beginning the transformation of this airport owned land into one of the best business parks in New Zealand."Â￾
http://www.hamiltonairport.co.nz/main.cfm?id=24&nid=35

[greaneyr]

Personally, I still think it's too close to Auckland. I would have thought that the majority of freight companies would still end up delivering their goods to Auckland. The point being, a lot of the flights we see as carrying passengers actually carry a lot of freight. Freight keeps long haul services alive, in some cases. Auckland is always going to have these long haul flights with freight components to them. In other words, there's already regular carriage of freight heading away from this part of the island/country.

The difference in travel distance by road from anywhere to Auckland vs Hamilton isn't much, whereas the difference in distance between Auckland and somewhere a lot further south most definitely is.

I mean, good luck to them and all. I just know there were plans afoot years ago to turn Ohakea into a freight distribution hub that never took off. Granted, there are other obstacles they'd have needed to overcome there, but I would have thought the benefits would have outweighed them. I guess it depends on who was stopping the show.

Off topic, but as far as how busy they are goes, in terms on air movements they were definitely the 3rd busiest overall in 2007. Check out http://www.airways.co.nz/documents/avimove_stats.pdf the Airways stats. A vast improvement on 2006. Funny how air movements change. Wellington/Auckland/Christchurch have had periods of being very close to each other.

Ardmore would still clean up the lot of them if they had a tower and recorded air movements. They were in the order of 200 000+ when they closed the tower back in 1997 or 1998 orwhenever it was.