Ratings costs

[Kelburn]

How much do the following cost (average)?

IFR Rating -

Basic Gas Turbine -

Twin engine -

Instructor "c" cat -

Night rating -

Cheers,
Kelburn.

[victor_alpha_charlie]

I'm not sure if I'd bother with my instructor rating..

[benwynn]

I Spose it really depends what he wants to do.

You still want to be an airline pilot kelburn? Mabye I'm forgetting but didn't you have a problem with your eyes?

These days working as an instructor doesn't earn u that much, infact pretty poor in reality. With the pilot shortages, you could probably look at a sounds air job, or similar.

Then again I'm no expert

[Kelburn]

no don't know where you got eye's from (though quite possibly I will need glasses when I get older - in my 50's)

Anyway I just want to know these so I get get the easiest/cheapest path.

Is is possible to get CPL, IFR rating and then fly for Soundsair?(what ratings would they require?)

[benwynn]

Sorry Kelburn, must be thinking of somebody else

With sounds air, its more Hours/Experience than ratings etc, seeing as you are flying a 208 etc.

Im not sure of the exact sounds air requirements- but an estimate- somebody can confirm for flying a 208

500 Hours Total Time

Command Instrument Rating

CPL

ATPL Theory (You wont have the hours and possibly age to get the real deal)

Gas Turbine Rating

And Possibly a 208 Type, or atleast some hours- But if the job is there, like Eagle, im sure they are happy to rate you for a small cost/free.

[Kelburn]

what about their 206, BN-2 and GA-8 (more the 206 and GA-8 - would you need only a few hundered hours and an IFR for these as they are piston)

[spongebob206]

NZWU is in need of an instructor, urgently actually.

Anyone keen?

[chopper_nut]

I think Soundsair are quite hard on pilots. You would be much better off to get a PPL then fly for fun for a bit ie: do taildragger time, aerobatics etc. Then go for a CPL but keep flying just for the enjoyment of it while casually looking for employment. If you get into aviation just to get a job then you are in the wrong industry, it has a high attrition rate amongst new pilots and is fiercly competitive. Just fly for fun dude and wait to see what comes your way, thats what Ill be doing.

[A185F]

QUOTE (Kelburn @ Apr 4 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How much do the following cost (average)?

IFR Rating -

Basic Gas Turbine -

Twin engine -

Instructor "c" cat -

Night rating -

Cheers,
Kelburn.

Ball park numbers,

IFR $20,000

BGT $108 (is just another exam but a hard one at that) or about $500 for a course if ya dont wanna self study

Twin, well thats part of the 20k for the multi engine instrument rating (MEIR) otherwise it's (minimum) 5 hrs for first twin @ around $500 an hour = $2500

C-Cat around $15,000

Night well thats usually done as part of yr cpl cos ya need for instrument rating. CPL night rating is 10 hrs so @ around $200 thats $2000

Sounds air wouldnt start you on the caravan with a bare CPL but prob on the 206 and 172 droping meat over koromiko and then the airvan then the caravan.

There not much need to instruct these days cos there are more and more jobs around although heaps of instructing ones aswell. E.g as spongebob was sayin wangas need one and have done for a while, the were contactin me a few months ago to see if I know anyone avail and they still aint got anyone...

[kiwiflyboy]

QUOTE (spongebob206 @ Apr 5 2008, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NZWU is in need of an instructor, urgently actually.

Anyone keen?

Feel free to PM me the details,

And everyone who says instructing isnt worthwhile..... "Instructing people to fly, is teaching them to soar towards their dreams"



Its not too bad, and to fly SP IFR now, under 135 (small a/c) you have to have 750 hours total time, so instructing is a way to get you from 350 hours (CPL, IFR & C-Cat), to the point were your closer ti minimums.

[Kelburn]

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206 and 172 droping meat over koromiko[/quote]

What does that mean?

also thanks for the figures

Plus (from Wellington) after I get a CPL what is the best angle to tackle (e.g. go for an IFR first etc.) and what airlines would be the ones to maybe aim for.

Also chopper_nut I want to be a pilot - Get paid to do what I love with things that I have an extreme passion for all pluses (if I can do it)

[A185F]

QUOTE (kiwiflyboy @ Apr 5 2008, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Feel free to PM me the details,

And everyone who says instructing isnt worthwhile..... "Instructing people to fly, is teaching them to soar towards their dreams"



Its not too bad, and to fly SP IFR now, under 135 (small a/c) you have to have 750 hours total time, so instructing is a way to get you from 350 hours (CPL, IFR & C-Cat), to the point were your closer ti minimums.

It's for pref a B cat or a C outta supervision who could become a B soon. Real good money but you have to live in wangavegas. joy. PM me if you are interested I can give ya some details

[A185F]

QUOTE (Kelburn @ Apr 5 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What does that mean?

also thanks for the figures

Plus (from Wellington) after I get a CPL what is the best angle to tackle (e.g. go for an IFR first etc.) and what airlines would be the ones to maybe aim for.

Also chopper_nut I want to be a pilot - Get paid to do what I love with things that I have an extreme passion for all pluses (if I can do it)

I'm pretty sure you have asked that before. Parachute dropping. They supply planes and pilots for skydive the sounds. as for an angle.. get CPL an MEIR outta the way and try get some 135, sounds air would be a really good place to start.
Some people just get their CPL and wait till later to do rest, like me. I got my CPL like 3 years ago and then worked an now have only just got (just over a week ago) my MEIR for a new job soon. I still need to get BGT before I start and whilst workin doin all this is a big pain in the anus. I wish I got it all at the start. so yea

[Kelburn]

yeah I had a think and realised that I had asked that.

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get CPL an MEIR outta the way and try get some 135,[/quote]
sorry about this but what do you mean by 135?

Anyway Sounds Air sounds like on way how about Vincent Aviation or are they too small and what about Air2there (except their aircraft are slightly larger than sounds

Also what's the difference between a MEIR and a Single Engine Instrument rating. What are the different costs and does a MEIR also give you a Single engine Instrument rating or/and an twin engine rating?

Last edited by Kelburn on Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[A185F]

QUOTE (Kelburn @ Apr 5 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

yeah I had a think and realised that I had asked that.


sorry about this but what do you mean by 135?

Anyway Sounds Air sounds like on way how about Vincent Aviation or are they too small and what about Air2there (except their aircraft are slightly larger than sounds

Also what's the difference between a MEIR and a Single Engine Instrument rating. What are the different costs and does a MEIR also give you a Single engine Instrument rating or/and an twin engine rating?

135 is Part 135 operations, um basicly anything taking paying passengers in small aircraft. Such as charters, senics, small airline type scheduled services (i.e sounds air), just most things flying small G.A aircraft ( up to 10 pax seats I think, maybe 15) which is not instructing.
Vincent are not small.
Air2there are similar to sounds air but I think they require a few more hours. Has been known lately for people to go from sounds air to vincents, then from vincents to anywhere ish i.e air nz, cathay, pac blue etc etc

The difference between multi and single engine instrument rating is just that. Self explanitary. Single engine is for single engine aeroplanes only and multi is more multi engine aeroplanes but it also covers single engine ones if you feel the strange need to fly a single IFR. Multi is twin. you need a type rating in the plane to do yr instrument rating so when doing a MEIR you will get a type rating in the multi (twin) engine plane you will be doing it in, what ever it may be (senica, partbanana, dutchess, cougar whatever...)

I hope I'm not being too confusing..

[Kelburn]

Nope so if you get a MEIR you are also able to fly single IFR.

Anyway after getting a CPL and MEIR where would I go? Sounds Air straight up or would there be a waypoint along this route?

[travnz]

Minimums for Sounds?
Or is it a case of who you know?

[A185F]

QUOTE (Kelburn @ Apr 6 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nope so if you get a MEIR you are also able to fly single IFR.

Correct

QUOTE (Kelburn @ Apr 6 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Anyway after getting a CPL and MEIR where would I go? Sounds Air straight up or would there be a waypoint along this route?

I have no Idea, wherever you can find a Job. Remember also that there are heaps more places around than sounds air and those limited to arround wellys. There heaps. Mountain air, great barrier areboth goodies too of which you can get straight into out of training. But there are heaps of places, especially down south too. Aussie is crying out for pilots aswell. Heaps of good jobs over there. As a pilot establishing yr career, ya cant just limit yrself to one place. Have to be flexible to move basically anywhere.

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Minimums for Sounds?
Or is it a case of who you know?[/quote]

Not sure on mins, I would say they are none for starting from the bottom (i.e the 206)
And every pilot job in NZ requires atleast a small degree of who you know...

[SENECA08]

Hey there.

As a real world pilot I suggest that you do as much as you can afford to do it.

Are you going for commercial or private pilots licence??

Jim

[SA227]

One thing to consider is the requirements of the various rules.
Under part 135 if you want to fly IFR you must have at least 750hrs total time. If you want to fly a Caravan IFR then you fall under Part 125 which requires 1200hrs total time. These requirements are for single pilot IFR.
So now you have to work out how you going to get from being a new 250 hr CPL to at least 750hrs. Some operators fly VFR and IFR, do they have pilots that are only qualified in one environment? Could be worth making a phone call to find out
Considering all that, the instructor rating starts to look like a good option for some people. Mix it up with a bit of parachute dropping etc and in a very short period you become employable any where.
Unless you are going to use your instrument rating and keep it current then there is no point in forking out the dollars at an early stage.

Hope this helps with the decision making