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Postby HardCorePawn » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:29 am

Rolled up to the Quality Inn in Manukau this morning around 7:15am for the first of my CPL exams... Human Factors! A nice easy one to get started...

The testing officer lady was, shall we say, a little grumpy... dry.gif But we were all eventually signed in and seated by 8am (except for one guy... ASL had not sent his exam paper to the testing venue.. DOH!)

Then the other testing officer got into a verbal argument with one guy about whether or not he was allowed to use a book... I think he was doing Principles of Flight and Aeroplane Performance... but it got really heated and the testing officer started getting really angry... quite bizarre!

They allow 1hr 30mins for the 40 questions... I took just under 25 minutes winkyy.gif and I only had to guess at about 4 of them, and of those, I am sure I got 2 right, coz I checked the answers as soon as I got out of the exam tongue.gif

and I now know why people claim that the ASL exams are really 'english' exams... questions like "What is a Mind Set":

A. This includes hearing things you expect to hear, rather than what is spoken (from crew members and ATC etc.).
B. A collection of brains.
C. Refers only to seeing things that you expect to see, rather than what is actually there.
D. Analysing a situation, making up you mind and refusing to change once a decision is made.

Note the subtle differences between A. and C.... with the words "includes" and "only"... you definitely want to read the question, form an answer in your head, then cross out the obviously wrong answers and then find the answer that most closely matches what you think.


Now I have to get up and do it all again tomorrow morning for Air Law... somehow I don't think I will only take 25 minutes for that one!! sad.gif






ps. I am fairly sure the answer is A
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Postby Ian Warren » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:56 am

HCP, that so easy .... rolleyes.gif This is your 'Brain Case' USE IT ! "What is a Mind Set" ...... B. A collection of brains. tongue.gif
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Postby Naki » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:59 am

You could argue that "D" as well as "C" is the answer although I guess you dont analyse a situation and then have a mind set but yes I agree "A" is the best answer.

Good luck with the law paper - I know from my university days the law papers were some of the toughest as there is so much to digest.
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Postby A185F » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:22 pm

Good stuff HCP biggrin.gif I think you should find law pretty easy aswell (by comparison to the rest) as it is just remembering facts an stuff like HF. I did HF and law together as well (one day after the other) but after that it was just individual exams and weeks between em thumbup1.gif
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Postby Daniel » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:45 pm

Good luck for all your exams mate clapping.gif
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Postby HardCorePawn » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:55 pm

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jul 28 2008, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"What is a Mind Set" ...... B. A collection of brains. tongue.gif


That wasn't actually one of the answers... I could not remember the other 2, only A and C... so I made them up... and it sounded good...


Naki wrote:
QUOTE (Naki @ Jul 28 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You could argue that "D" as well as "C" is the answer although I guess you dont analyse a situation and then have a mind set but yes I agree "A" is the best answer.


yeah... as above... D was not actually and answer... I just made that one up...


A185F wrote:
QUOTE (A185F @ Jul 28 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good stuff HCP biggrin.gif I think you should find law pretty easy aswell (by comparison to the rest) as it is just remembering facts an stuff like HF. I did HF and law together as well (one day after the other) but after that it was just individual exams and weeks between em thumbup1.gif


Yeah... people said HF and Law, do them together... so I did... the rest like PoF, AirTech, Met and Nav are going to be 'attacked' one at a time... I am hoping to get 2 more in before Xmas... but I'll have to see how the study goes... probably going to do AirTech and Nav next... PoF scares me, as does Met... cloud types?? errrr.... white & fluffy, white & streaky... ummm grey with wet bits falling out of it... oh and black with electricity ninja.gif

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QUOTE (Daniel @ Jul 28 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you going to get a job in aviation once you have your CPL?


I would like too... no point having a CPL if I'm not going to use it! I would aspire to flying the heavy metal, but to be honest, would be just as happy in a 1900D, Dash-8 or ATR whizzing up and down the country...

I was chatting to a guy at the exam this morning who was doing BGT (Basic Gas Turbine)... just scored himself a job with Eagle (he's off to Canada tomorrow to do the 1900 type rating)... he was saying they pay instructors in Oz! blink.gif whatever will they think of next dry.gif So maybe there is hope for me yet...
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Postby Daniel » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:15 pm

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I would like too... no point having a CPL if I'm not going to use it! I would aspire to flying the heavy metal, but to be honest, would be just as happy in a 1900D, Dash-8 or ATR whizzing up and down the country...[/quote]

I think flying round NZ under Air NZ would be pretty good.
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Postby travnz » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:48 pm

Did santa claus use his same lame as jokes? Im sure next time you go HCP you will be reminded of them.
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Postby HardCorePawn » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:30 pm

Daniel wrote:
QUOTE (Daniel @ Jul 28 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you got any multi engine time yet?


Not yet... its on the agenda... along with instrument rating... aero's... tail wheel... ad infinitum winkyy.gif

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Did santa claus use his same lame as jokes? Im sure next time you go HCP you will be reminded of them.


Like the one about them being there to help but not give you the answers... because if they did, you'd fail?? rolleyes.gif

And "Santa" was the one who went psycho at the guy...
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Postby travnz » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:11 pm

Yea thats right, and how he doesnt know anything, even though the guy apparently is an ex captain haha.
Also the one about the fire drill
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Postby ZK-MAT » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:11 pm

A mindset is a commonly held belief .... such as Boeings are better - a mindset amongst Boeing fans. I would agree then that A is the correct answer, meaning those of a particular mindset will hear what they want to hear, not necessarily what is actually said.

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Postby kiwiflyboy » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:38 pm

HardCorePawn wrote:
QUOTE (HardCorePawn @ Jul 28 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But we were all eventually signed in and seated by 8am (except for one guy... ASL had not sent his exam paper to the testing venue.. DOH!)


After speaking to this guy today, He had been on the phone to ASL all day, they were very apologetic and have refunded him his exams, he was sitting 2 ATPL's today. Needless to say, he wasnt very happy
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Postby Anthony » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:17 am

Good luck for exams and for the future HCP.
Can't say I envy you as I'm not really a fan of tests and exams, but they're a necessary evil I guess.
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Postby FlyingKiwi » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:54 am

I wonder how many times Santa has told those jokes now? He should just make a recording to play at the start and save his voice.

The answer is "A" by the way.
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Postby HardCorePawn » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:44 pm

kiwiflyboy wrote:
QUOTE (kiwiflyboy @ Jul 28 2008, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After speaking to this guy today, He had been on the phone to ASL all day, they were very apologetic and have refunded him his exams, he was sitting 2 ATPL's today. Needless to say, he wasnt very happy


OMG... ATPLs???? ouch... so much study and to be denied on the day... that blows!


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QUOTE (FlyingKiwi @ Jul 29 2008, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder how many times Santa has told those jokes now? He should just make a recording to play at the start and save his voice.

The answer is "A" by the way.


Yeah... he went on about the fire drill today... wasnt really paying attention...
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Postby HardCorePawn » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:56 pm

Well... i HOPE it is two down... CPL Air Law... all I can say is 'UGH'....

Not feeling quite as confident about this result as I was for Human Factors yesterday... 30 questions... I reckon I knew around 22 or 23... you need 21 (70%) to pass! ohmy.gif

There were a couple I guessed at, that I checked afterwards, and am fairly sure I got right... but it is going to be a nervous wait...

The thing which annoyed me the most was one question that did not appear to have any correct answers!!!?!?!

You're flying along and see on the chart a GAA area, G277 Lake Waikare, west of your track. If you wanted to do some flight training in there, what frequency should you select and what, if any, are the ATC requirements?

A. 125.3, Pilot should notify appropriate ATC unit
B. 119.1, No need to notify ATC
C. 120.9, Pilot should notify Christchurch info
D. 124.3, Pilot must obtain an ATC clearance

According to the GAA area listings in ENR 5.5 - 3... G277 is a 'by notification area'... and the ATC unit you are supposed to notify is Auckland (Approach) on 124.3...

So B & C are obviously wrong... A has the correct ATC requirement, but an incorrect freq... and D has the correct freq but a (technically) incorrect ATC requirement... you don't need an ATC clearance... you just let them know you're going in there!!!

So I answered D, as it was the closest... and then wrote a big essay in the critique section on the back page to justify my answer! dry.gif

I am guessing that as that particular entry was updated on 10 APR 08, that the exam was not modified to match...
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Postby travnz » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:11 pm

As you have suggested HCP I think that it was part of the bay sector before the 10 of APR so that is possibly where the confusion has come fro, ASL really are a useless company
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Postby pois0n » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:31 pm

HF and Law are easy smile.gif Sat Law about 3 weeks ago, nothing too difficult..RTFQ and know the met minimas for part 135 and its fine eh thumbup1.gif

What one you gonna tackle next?

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Postby kiwiflyboy » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:04 pm

HCP you were right in ur answer and critiquing. Trust me, i teach all PPL, CPL, and IFR Law. And Im currently studying Australian ATPL law, (which is a complete shambles compared to NZ law) so much legislation when compared to here. In NZ, we have the CA act, CAR, A/C's and AIP..... Oz have CA act, CAR's, A/C's, AIP, CAO's, CASR's, CAAP's........... and there is no real order to where anything is, and to top it off an 80% pass mark!!!!

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Postby Kelburn » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:41 pm

So how hard are the tests?
Are they just a few multi answer questions? (easier than NCEA?)
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