ATR Replacement Decision

[PiperDriver]

I wonder if and when they will replace the ATR's. Great aircraft to fly on though

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (PiperDriver @ Sep 20 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I wonder if and when they will replace the ATR's. Great aircraft to fly on though

I guess it's not a matter of if at all- obviously they will replace them. I agree with you about them being nice to fly on though!

[greaneyr]

QUOTE (kestrel @ Sep 20 2008, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Heard from Rob Fyfe, himself, they are keeping the ATR72-500 for now

Agree with what the others are saying here. If you're gonna get a Q400, you're not that far off jet territory in terms of seats, and by the sounds, fuel consumption too.

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (greaneyr @ Sep 20 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agree with what the others are saying here. If you're gonna get a Q400, you're not that far off jet territory in terms of seats, and by the sounds, fuel consumption too.

Well they have roughly the same number of seats as an ATR 72- about half the seats of a 737-300.

[Naki]

QUOTE (victor_alpha_charlie @ Sep 20 2008, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well they have roughly the same number of seats as an ATR 72- about half the seats of a 737-300.

Depends what jet you are comparing it to - Embaer ER-170/175 is a similar size to a Q400 - still think there is a pretty reasonable savings in fuel consumption over a jet with a Q400.

[victor_alpha_charlie]

QUOTE (Naki @ Sep 20 2008, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Depends what jet you are comparing it to - Embaer ER-170/175 is a similar size to a Q400 -

Yeah but then so is an ATR 72..

[jastheace]

just read an article in AIR international, and it was on ATR as a company, they reckon that the turboprops are going to be a big thing in the regional market as they are more fuel efficent than the jets, and are more environment friendly (less noise and so on) they are predicting that the Q400 and the ATR-72 are going to be the biggest sellers, and that realsticly they are going to be the only ones in the market for some time, as other manufactures have stopped producing there turboprops to focus on jets.


As for ANZ, there are pros and cons to both aircraft, the dash 8 is a pain in the butt from a refuelling point of view, and they are not guite as user friendly as the ATR, but then ANZ has had a good run out of them, not being able to get more than 15 could be a limiting factor, but on the other end they would have a high resale value later on down the track, would they go for the Q400, i think they might stay with the ATR.

Realisticly ANZ won't go the E-jet route, the reason they went to the ATR and Dash-8 was alot on NZ regional airports cannot handle jets, weather it be the runways, gound support or terminals, i know the once the -200 series 737 left ANZ that was the end of jets for Napier, as the -300 could not get out with enough load to justify the expense of running it, the -300 would have left with fuel and no cargo or passengers to get out. then sept 11 happened and the security measures that have beenput in place for all jet travel, i cannot see the smaller regionals getting that anytime soon, as most would require a rebuild of the terminal to accomodate the extra security. jets are great for long flights that have a long cruise length, were as a turbo prop is much, much more economical on the shorter hopes, like most of NZ domestic is,

Here in oz, it is the Q300 -Q400 that are the rage, i haven't seen an ATR, although the ATR-42 is used on some mine runs apparently.

should be interesting to see whcih way they go

[PiperDriver]

I recall Macair in Oz having a ATR. Also Toll Priority over there

[jastheace]

yes macair has a couple of atr-42-500's i was going to fuel one of them, but it got caned at the last moment, it wouldn't suprise me if toll had tehm either, they almost seem to have a one of everything policy!!!.

From what i have read on the net, the -600 series atr has a full glass cockpit, upgraded avionics and more powerful engines, and that is about it, where as the -Q300 -Q400 have pretty much tyhe sae engines, cockpit and avionics, so training cost would pretty much stay static, where as if they went with the new -600s they would have to upgrade training and sim and all that, so cost could blow out abit. but then it would be easier to train pilots for larger jets, i.e. 737ngs etc

[Naki]

This puts an end to any speculation on what theyare doing - Mount Cook will buy the ATRs they have on lease and wait until new 90 seat ATRs (completely new design), Q400Xs or other possible new turboprop a/c from Embraer are available later in the decade - so the current ATR-72s will be around for quite a while.