Near Misses

[HercFeend]

Just out of interest, I wanted to get your input on something I saw a few weeks ago.

Did anyone see / hear anything about a 'near miss' on the afternoon of Friday 26th September at CHC?

I was driving home along Pound Road after leaving CAC. As I approaching the threshold of 02 I pulled over to watch a Pacific Blue flight on finals. At about 200ft the DJ a/c was
forced to abort and go around due to a Jet Star a/c 'just pulling out' onto the active runway in front of it.............

Would be interesting to hear what happened there! I'm not sure of what exactly constitutes a near miss or incident but surely that must come close!

Has anyone else got any stories?

Cheers

[FlyingKiwi]

Not on quite such a large scale but a month or so ago at Ardmore I witnessed someone actually land on 03 while another aircraft was still on the runway finishing its landing roll. Believe there were some colourful words spoken over the traffic frequency from the pilot of the preceding aircraft.

[bestpilotindaworld]

nah thats not a near miss. it would of been a near miss, if not a hit if they had not gone around

i was flying along over mid rabbit island in nelson one day heading west to do something and some tool call up and requested to join the zone and next "what the F&$K was that" he was so close i could see the whites of his eyes!! The thing is that when he requested to join he was already 3 to 4 miles into the zone. I just about fill my plants!! (but not quite) Tower said to him "traffic is cessna 172 heading west same height" and he said "looking" and then i said " just past him 5 seconds ago" and you quest the rest. Can't remember if a IR was file agaist him or not

What a dipstick!! Thats a near miss

[HercFeend]

If not a near miss I would still have thought that someone would be in a spot of bother i.e. the controller for allowing the a/c to enter the RW or the pilot of the J* for entering without permission......... I can't imagine this is or was procedure so somebody made a bad call!!

[HardCorePawn]

I believe it is called a 'Runway Incursion'...

Come to Ardmore, it is almost a weekly occurence!

[HercFeend]

A runway incursion, as defined by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) on April 27, 2006, is:

Any occurrence at an aerodrome involving the incorrect presence of an aircraft, vehicle, or person on the protected area of a surface designated for the landing and take-off of aircraft.

ICAO defines a runway incursion as any unauthorized intrusion onto a runway, regardless of whether or not an aircraft presents a potential conflict.


Interesting, thanks.

[bestpilotindaworld]

You are right it is a runway incursion. There could be quite a simple reason why it happen 1) controller might have throught he/she could get the jetstar out before the pacblue and the jetstar took their time and the control did not see this happening 2) the jetstar crew were on a nother planet 3) the pacblue may have been ask to slow down a bit or might a long finals but did not do either and ended up being to close and the controller made them go around.

But there is only 3 partys who realy know what happen and that the two crews and the controller. And if you had a radio you might have some idea what happen.

[A185F]

I would doubt the jetstar entered the runway without permission. My guess was that the controller tried to get them off before the pacblue but they were too slow and it happens from time to time.
I found that wellignton between the morning peak travel time around 8-9am can sometimes get pretty tight where they squeez another one off before an inbound. I've had a few landing clearances crossing the fence there. I dont really like it but not much you can do apart from tell people to stop using air travel,- which I wont be doing.
A similar experience I had was a pax in a 206 at nelson coming in and they squeezed us in before an origin J41, we knew it was tight did a fast approach landed short to taxi off at (fast) D and then a very fast landing clearance from the controller to the 41. Their only readback was "yip" before they touched town.

As for Near misses, even while working down mt cook / glaciers you can get VERY close to other aircraft but with all partys knowing exactly what is going on it is not much of a prob. For e.g taking off and landing at the airfields where the helicoptors are doing the same it gets very close, if I would be on approach only a few hundred feet and a 500 would lift off and fly more or less straight towards passing to the side within only meters to turn to get behind (Doing this as apposed to lifing off and flying directly accross your flight path) I very often did see whites of eyes if they werent wearing glases. To most on on the ground it would be a very near miss but in the air when both has visually locked in sight and both knows exactly whats going on in a controlled enviroment, its not a big deal or problem.

[HercFeend]

It's all a bit clearer now thanks. As I said I wasn't sure if it'd be considered 'a near miss' or not, so thought I'd ask the experts....... Thanks for the insight.