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by **creator2003** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:34 pm

Got this sent in my mailbox thought this was amazing flying skills

some of the comments say this is fake but ive watched it over and over and cant see that myself

by **victor_alpha_charlie** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:40 pm

Yeah you're right. These people that just go on Youtube and say everything is fake...

by **creator2003** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:48 pm

Just in the last couple of minutes ive done a search and come up with only a couple of other places writing about it ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodwor...57ecd9?lnk=raot

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...30140510AAqZPAb

in my view that is fully possible and what guy would go build a model plane just so they could make a tube fake vid oh and at the end the plane fully has someone open it up with only one wing on it and a guy running to it ..

even though you cant see the pilots face you can see he has just looked death in the face ....

by **PiperDriver** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:49 pm

The pilot did a good job to land that plane with only one wing. Must have been scary for the spectators.

by **Chairman** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:50 pm

That came up today on Sideswipe. I watched it and thought it looked and sounded and smoked exactly like a r/c model plane, even after it landed I was waiting for someone's feet to appear as they went to pick it up.

Gave me a heck of a shock when someone got out of it !

Gary

by **FlyingKiwi** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:54 pm

This is quite clearly not real, for a number of reasons. In no particular order:

1) The "where's his right wing" and "oh my god, ruuuuuuuun!" or words to that effect sound nothing at all like what someone witnessing an imminent fatal plane crash would say - unfortunately I base this on having seen many similar, real, videos. Not to mention the very fake sounding "nooo!" a moment before the landing.

2) The general motion of the aircraft in flight looks like an RC plane, in particular the knife edge maneuver - the aircraft appears to have literally no momentum at all as it pulls up into the knife edge.

3) The bounce on landing is in my view the most telling factor - unless the laws of physics have been redefined I don't see a real aeroplane of at least several hundred kilograms weight, with one highly aerodynamic lifting surface still attached, and moving at considerable speed, bouncing like that. An RC plane on the other hand, bounces exactly like that. Not to mention a lightweight taildragger would have almost certainly nosed over or ground looped in the event of a landing like that.

4) The aircraft goes from flying speed to taxiing speed in the space of about 1 second. I'm guessing this is where the footage of the RC plane is switched with real footage. That would also probably explain the sudden shakiness of what up until that point had been a remarkably steady piece of camera work.

5) The pilot who emerges from the aircraft at the end doesn't appear to be wearing a headset, unless he removed it at the same time that he was shutting down the engine and opening the canopy.

6) Although I may possibly be wrong, I sincerely doubt that an aircraft of that design could sustain controlled flight of any kind with one wing missing - regardless of the skill of the pilot. An F-15 traveling at high speed with its highly aerodynamic fuselage, yes, as has been done before for real, but an aerobatics aircraft traveling at reasonably low speed and with presumably only a tiny fraction of the total lift produced by the fuselage at any speed, very unlikely. I think the actual tendency of the aircraft would be to go into a completely uncontrollable spiral at which point no amount of control input would have any effect whatsoever.

My hunch is that the real aircraft had the right wing removed for whatever reason, but was in otherwise fully working condition, and someone decided to make the video we see here. The initial footage may possibly be real - everything from just before the wing comes off to the point at which the plane inexplicably loses 40 or 50 knots in the space of a second or so, is an RC plane.

Edit - Credit due to whoever made the video though, it is very cleverly done.

by **creator2003** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:04 pm

Yeah ive got the highres version downloaded to my pc and the wing was a ripped wing and i seen the head move on landing ,just seems a weird thing to do make a model plane to land with one wing $$$$ then ask your mate to take his wing off a real plane and taxi down a runway ????..

hhhhmmmm at one time they said they could not do a backflip on a motor bike now they are doing it twice with a superman inclued i think anything is possible and the movie above could be one of those times...

by **Charl** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:17 pm

Fake, but marks for trying

The only plane that does one wing landings is the Eagle

by **Chairman** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:22 pm

The reason I thought it was a r/c plane to begin with was that if it wasn't, these must have been the biggest traffic cones ever !

Following on from that I did some googling of my own and found this, on http://aido3n.blogspot.com/2008/10/c-the-b...pilot-ever.html

QUOTE

So, I did more poking around. The James Andersson website claims he is from Great Britain and Germany. However, if it's a real aircraft, where's the aircraft registration number? It could be that it's just too small to see, but watching carefully, I didn't see anything like that.

Then I got suspicious. Whois.net shows that the jamesandersson.com domain is registered to "Sandra Thielecke" with a killathrill email address (ct@killathrill.com).

Then, further through that J. A. website, it claims he has placed 24th, 14th and 15th in Red Bull Air Races. Yet according to the Red Bull Air Race website, there are only 12 racers, so 12th place is dead last - it's impossible to place 14th, 15th or 24th. Disqualification, the most common placement listed on the J. A. website, is also not shown as an option.

Furthermore, a google search doesn't find him listed anywhere on the Red Bull Air Race site. I also tried this for the other races and several of the air shows listed on his site with no success.

The J.A. website also uses country code "GRB" when showing his listings in Red Bull Air Races. However, on the Red Bull Air Race website, Great Britain is represented as GBR, and Germany is represented as GER.

Another suspicious bit: Two copies of this video were posted on YouTube. Both were posted by users with no other postings (MrMarodeur and AirRacer89), 2 days apart. The users' favorite videos are almost identical.

The nail in the coffin, for me, came from the Red Bull Air Race website's About The Race section: Currently there are three different types of aircraft used in the Red Bull Air Race World Championship: the Edge 540, the MXS and the Extra 300SR. James Andersson's website claims he flies a Giles G-300. The Giles G-300 is single-seat, single engine kit plane, but it was produced by AkroTech Aviation, Inc. They went out of business in August 2000. They also have an empty weight of 431kg - and the James Andersson website claims ... reduction in weight to a basic weight of 650kg.

*sigh* So, in short, I think it's a complete fabrication, done with either a computer or an RC plane, either for KillaThrill or Red Bull. I was rather hoping it was real, 'cause that would have been one hell of a flight...[/quote]

Very good viral marketing, but none the less I'm gonna call this one Busted.

Gary

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