US plane crashes into house

[dazza28]

Hey just saw this on the news does not sound good

A US commercial plane has struck a house and burst into flames late on Thursday outside Buffalo, New York, killing 49 people

I think it mite have been a Dash 8 Q400

here the link.news

Cheers Dazza.

[Njbb1995]

Just saw the news Briefs, Not very good ae

[AlisterC]

Plenty of video out there now too. It sure was a Dash 8, (DH8D) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJC3407
Looks from the flightaware map the weather might not have been the best. Dash 8s are usually so bullet proof (not counting the gear) so will I really wonder what might have gone wrong

Dazza - just saw this

[dazza28]

Dazza - just saw this

hehe my bad

[Ian Warren]

RIP for all those involved

QUOTE

There was snow and sleet in the area at the time of the crash, which is not unusual for the area this time of year.[/quote] I wonder whether it caught a bit of ice on its approach in?

Last edited by Daniel on Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

[spongebob206]

Definate ice up

Poor Buggers

[Ian Warren]

The early ATR s had problems with ice , as Alister pointed out the Dash8 is prity much bullet proof , being a hi ratio aspect wing tho they don't glide that well !

[HardCorePawn]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 14 2009, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

being a hi ratio aspect wing tho they don't glide that well !

errrr High Aspect Ratio wings are the type that gliders use... so I'm guessing you meant something else?

[FunkymonkeyNZ]

QUOTE (HardCorePawn @ Feb 17 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

errrr High Aspect Ratio wings are the type that gliders use... so I'm guessing you meant something else?

was just thinking that myself too, are they not Anhedrial high aspect ratio wings? im not sure...cant say ive geezed much at them from front on, maybe they're Dihedral. I'm sure someone here knows the aspects of the Dash family. and just to ask another question, do they have a great safety record? all the old chaps from our flight school relate to them as "Crash 8's" or "terror tubes" im not sure if they're taking the p#ss or not?

[FlyingKiwi]

Just to clear up any confusion. High aspect ratio = long and thin - glider wings, Low aspect ratio = short and fat - Jet fighter style (or Grumman trainer )

[waka172rg]

QUOTE (FunkymonkeyNZ @ Feb 17 2009, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

was just thinking that myself too, are they not Anhedrial high aspect ratio wings? im not sure...cant say ive geezed much at them from front on, maybe they're Dihedral. I'm sure someone here knows the aspects of the Dash family. and just to ask another question, do they have a great safety record? all the old chaps from our flight school relate to them as "Crash 8's" or "terror tubes" im not sure if they're taking the p#ss or not?

The dash 8 family have a very high aspect ratio wing. Its just trying to fly with ice on ya, in all A/C is difficult in sever cases over powering.
"maybe they're Dihedral" correct 2.5 degrees. The actual cause if this crash is still conjecture at this point. If icing was indeed a primary factor, it was more than likely caused by wing or tailplane stall due to excess frozen contamination of the leading edge and / or primary lifting surfaces. the Q400 has had trouble with Landing gear issues and was grounded for this issue. "Crash 8's" or "terror tubes" not at all as well known to the dash 8 i would rate them over many other turboprops.
Cheers
Waka172rg

[NZ255]

Anyone see 3 news last night? They had a Continental 777 as the picture!

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (HardCorePawn @ Feb 17 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

errrr High Aspect Ratio wings are the type that gliders use... so I'm guessing you meant something else?

The High Aspect wing was actually devolped pre WW2 and was known as the Davis wing , best example off the period or most famous was the B24 Liberator , aircrew preferred the B17 fort because being more stable and able to absorb battle damage were as the 24 required a lot of work from the pilot due to the wing , I guess you could say todays sail plane would have an Ultra High Aspect due to length and cord and weight loading thus superb for souring .