Air NZ to replace 737s

[Snowman]

QUOTE (greaneyr @ Apr 1 2009, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, really interesting story Lawrie.

I've also heard numerous comments that the 732 was, in many ways, the perfect machine to drop into Queenstown. I don't think NAC started out flying in there, though.

Now I'm intrigued about the handling of the 732 versus any other jet. Maybe the flight models I've flown haven't been too accurate, but any 732 I've flown has handled pretty much like any other jet - big, heavy, slow to turn, and way too powerful to ever do a circuit in fullstop. I've also read in many places that the 727 handled like an oversized fighter jet. Again, big, heavy, slow to turn and way too powerful to ever do a circuit in fullstop in my experience.

What am I missing?

No,...... NAC didint fly the 732s into NZQN till many years later.
Pilots did say it was the ideal machine to fly down in between those mountains,....... steady and stable,......... and overly endowed with more than enough power to get up out of the rough air in the mountains as quickly as possible after lift off, causing little or no discomfort to passengers.
Theres a very interesting DVD video i have from the "Pioneering Aviation in New Zealand" series called "The Boeing 737, 25 years in New Zealand".
Gives you the entire history of the lead up to the ordering and purchase of the B732s, the reasons why, shows you the competitors etc, and you get a complete flight in a B732 from NZCH to NZQN. Some really great internal and external filming of the aircraft and the scenery.
You also get the complete history of the B732 with NAC, through all its various liveries and changes, right up to the change to Air NZ, and including the final NAC B732 flight. All in all,........ very interesting indeed.

Pilots did used to say that the B732 was grossly overpowered, but extremely nimble for an aircraft of its size.
The possible rate of climb of a 732 was incredibly phenominal,......... i believe i read somewhere that one pilot for BA in the UK, said that its possible rate of climb from lift off to a certain altitude (I forget now what that altitude was), was more than Concorde's !! I dont know how true that is..........

I have a couple of NZ liveried B737s in my sim,..............

The Eric Cantu B732, the Flight FX B733, and the Vistaliners B733.
They all behave differently, but the 2 733s are very similar, but the 732 is a rocket ship in comparison.
Totally different in the way it handles,......... quicker response time to control surface inputs, and throttle inputs than the 2 733 models i have.
All this of course is dependant on who built the configuration files for the models. I couldnt say how accurate they are compared to the real thing........

Lawrie.

[larral1123]

I heard there either going for 737-800s or more A320s

[Kelburn]

They should go for the 737-700. The -300's suit well plus the flights are never usually at 100% pax thus I think they should update the plane they've got to a -700 which is simply a -300 with a wider wing bigger, more powerful engines and an glass cockpit.

[Peppermint]

Seems there's always going to be A vs B in this decision....how about shocking everyone, and Air NZ going for the Sukhoi Superjet 100?

[Naki]

..or maybe the Bombardier C series - the most efficient but I dont think it will meet Air NZs timesacle...

[Rebound]

Lose cargo capacity with those smaller jets. 737-700/800's to replace the current -300s. E170/E190 maybe to replace the ATR's would be a good option but maybe not as cost effective as props

[K5054NZ]

Why not use the Yak-42?

[FlyingKiwi]

That would get the Greens up in arms.

There was actually a Yak-42 in service in Australia a few years ago with a company by the name of Eco Air - needless to say it was a very short lived venture!

[K5054NZ]

Hey, just wanted to put it out there hahaha

I say bring back the DC3.

[Alex]

QUOTE (K5054NZ @ Apr 4 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I say bring back the DC3.

Imagine the headlines.

Alex

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 4 2009, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Imagine the headlines.
Alex

NZ HERALD The headlines . Air New Zealand purchase brand new aircraft able to service all centers , special fights ta Ryan,s field

[snapster]

The smart money would be on the boeing product......

reasons

all the domestic pilot's that I have talked to dont like airbus.
all the engineer's I have talked to dont like airbus.
I ( the ground handler) dont like airbus.

the airbus would require a large investment in loading equipment, canisters, and training.

another big indicator is that ANZ domestic (AKL) has been investing alot of money in a device called the ramp snake ( or something silly like that)
a truck with a belt on it, on the end of the belt is a loading head which can be directed into the hold and can be moved in all directions to assist loading.
this is designed for lose load hold's which do not incorporate a moving belt inside the aircraft....

I think the airbus options are only a formality.....

The downside of the later 737 is the wingspan is too wide for the current gate configuration, so this will have to be changed, probably losing one gate outright.

Alex

[towerguy]

QUOTE

all the domestic pilot's that I have talked to dont like airbus.
all the engineer's I have talked to dont like airbus.
I ( the ground handler) dont like airbus.

the airbus would require a large investment in loading equipment, canisters, and training.

another big indicator is that ANZ domestic (AKL) has been investing alot of money in a device called the ramp snake ( or something silly like that)
a truck with a belt on it, on the end of the belt is a loading head which can be directed into the hold and can be moved in all directions to assist loading.
this is designed for lose load hold's which do not incorporate a moving belt inside the aircraft....

I think the airbus options are only a formality.....

The downside of the later 737 is the wingspan is too wide for the current gate configuration, so this will have to be changed, probably losing one gate outright.[/quote]

but the 'ACCOUNTANT' loves them and the 'MANAGEMENT' can get a 'BIGGER BONUS' by getting Airbus - therefore all the above points are deemed irrelevant and everyone else will get what they are told!

welcome to the real world.

[d3fai13r]

QUOTE (Peppermint @ Apr 4 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

and Air NZ going for the Sukhoi Superjet 100?

Now thats peace of junk, that just only starts to fly, his engines are new type and totally raw, and i would avoid aircraft from Russia because i know a lot about TU204/214 maintenance, the main is to sell aircraft to state company and then left it with its aircraft, no post service etc, so airlines are face to face with problems of aircraft
Also was talking yesterday to ANZES staff, most of them don't like A and hope for B737NG.Thats habit. Yep, A is more sensitive aircraft for runways quality etc and harder in maintenance, but despite of everything a lot of lowcosts are using them-so that means that aircraft still can work hard conditions. IMHO the best for ANZ is to order mix 737-700/800(800 for future)

[K5054NZ]

Fine, we stick with Boeing then - I'm sure Seattle would be only too happy to recommence 247 production.



I mean, as someone else said, the seats are very rarely all filled, wingspan is an issue with regards to gates.....so the 247 is the PERFECT solution!

[snapster]

I have heard more "things" which point to the boeing product (quite convincing).
I wish I could say more but I must remian silent on these.
Let's say I would be extremely shocked if ANZ opted for the AB.


Alex

[CDTDAN]

I think it would be really cool it they got C-17's and made them double-deckers A little crazy, I know

[Njbb1995]

That would be cool! But still Unsuitable. Maybe if ANZ were doing domestic flights to Antarctica or Iraq but NZ?

[larral1123]

I newly discoverd boeing will discount air nz 737-8or900 airplanes in exchange for a320s 733s

THIS JUST IN AN URGENT REPLACEMENT IS NECACEARY DECSISON SHOULD BE MADE BY END OF 2009
WITH EITHER
BOEING 737-800 (FAVOURED) <GOT MY VOTE
OR A320

[Alex]

Source?

Alex