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Postby Goose » Thu May 21, 2009 1:03 am

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Hi Goose! Yeah, a an overview of Bay Flight would be good. Any delays, quality of instructors who go the extra mile, weather, students to FI ratios etc.... Have you flown with C.Hooker? Thx yah!



Right so, bayflight.

So far ive really enjoyed my time here! just like any other school or aero club it has the same old problems, maintenance issues (as in the planes are always in maintenance, but hey, we'd complain more if they started just falling out of the sky!) also you get the odd flight change with no one telling you so you turn up all ready to go and your an hour late or three hours early because someone has moved your flight. But from what i can tell every flight school on the country has the same issues.

In terms of instructors they are all pretty on to it people, and they actually care about where you are up to in terms of training and how your getting along. The way it is run is that each student is assigned to a mentor instructor who is in charge of your overall training, you dont always fly with this person but they keep a close eye on you. The way they get around the delays that some schools have when you only have one instructor is that along with your mentor you have around 2 other instructors you fly with regularly. This way the three of them get to know you and know how you fly, your weaknesses and your strengths, plus it all goes back to your mentor so he/she can see how your getting along, plus cos your always flying with the same people you get to know what they expect of you, so it still keeps it personal but you dont have to wait around for flights like you would if there was just one instructor.

The school and your mentor take your hours and last lesson in every monday to be put on a board so that everyone can see how each class is progressing and if who needs help to catch up. The Student instructor ratio is pretty good, there are 60-80 students and id say around 30 instructors (when they are all there). I know it sounds tacky but the place is also kind of like a family, there is a students lounge where everyone hangs out during the day and everyone gets to know each other pretty well because there is a free bbq every friday plus alot of bayflight parties (each time you go to the next level, like go solo or pass a flight test you are expected to shout, but they save it up so they can get a thousand or 2 on the bar)

Tauranga is also an awesome place to learn to fly for a couple of main reasons, firstly its controlled, so you get used to using the radio properly and quickly and although it can get busy the controllers are all really good and you almost never have to wait long to do what you wanna do, plus you know where everyone is when you out in the training sectors, plus can find an empty one that you know for sure there is no one else in it. The other good thing about it is the weather, because of the Kai Mai rangers and the papamoa hills, we dont get alot of rain here, i have been at bayflight since January and there have only been three days that i can think off that all flights were cancelled for the whole day, even tho its winter here at the moment and the weather hasnt been the best, cross countries have been canned but any flying within the zone has been unaffected.

As for Phil hooker, no i havent flown with him, unfortunatly he has taken a step back from the school. He still owns it and is around alot but he is no longer the CFI. We now have Graham Guy, he is an ex ASL testing officer and has a hell of alot of experience. When it comes to flying with him he is pretty strict and knows what he likes but he also knows his stuff, you can learn alot from him!

Anyways thats all i can think of at the moment, hope that answered all your questions, sorry if repeated myself and sorry for my slanted view towards bayflight and tga, but like i said im really enjoying it here!

oh, two more things, 1st I started off at ardmore flying school, doing my theory. I have found that you can get thru your training pretty fast here if you want to, i have been flying since january and have around 130 hours now, i have my ppl and have passed my commercial cross country flight test. One of my ardmore class mates is here two and she is a little behind me in the hours but only cos she started a month later, she has the same flight test passes. As compared to my other ardmore class mates who stayed at ardmore, i think only one of them has their ppl and the rest are well below the 50 hours mark, and they started a month or so before me. Not attacking ardmore flying school at all here, enjoyed my time there too! but the weather up there is not as co-operative! plus they only fly with one instructor.

2nd, bayflight has a diverse fleet. Here you start off in a cessna 152, then after your ppl, you can get a rating in and regularly fly a pa-28 warrior and a cessna 172, plus i think phil is letting some people get there piper cub ratings in his, and the twin we use is a piper senica.

right, im off to bed, hope thats helped, i feel its pretty accurate smile.gif
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Postby waka172rg » Thu May 21, 2009 2:23 am

As for Phil hooker i flew and learnt from him 6 years ago he was my idle and still is. Taught me the best areos, is now have 105 areos and now flying airline much app hooks!!.
all aside i trained at the age of 14 to 18 at NAC moved to nztg because of some reasons (had grow up in a small town) I loved NAC but had to change places for a while i was there while A.Smith owned the joint i cleaned planes for the hours. Penny has it now and i recommend it as much as Bay Flight!! waht ever you chose will be the best in the long run! I was skydive for Stewie for 2 years b4 i moved to auzz i also did scenics and areoz for Ablel Tazz Air.
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Postby HercFeend » Wed May 27, 2009 8:34 am

Just got my CPL Met result through from ASL - 84% biggrin.gif Chuffed biggrin.gif

Thanks to those for the advice, you know who you are.
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Postby Goose » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:21 am

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cpl flight test in a week!!!! im stressing out! any hints or tips??
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Postby pacblue » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:09 pm

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cpl flight test in a week!!!! im stressing out! any hints or tips??


dont crash!! if you do that and dont do anything too silly you'll be fine smile.gif
just make your paddock and try to keep things safe and smooth

Best of luck to you sir, please let us all know how you get on.
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Postby chopper_nut » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:53 pm

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cpl flight test in a week!!!! im stressing out! any hints or tips??



RELAX, RELAX, RELAX oh and RELAX. Your flying will go to sh*t couple of days before the test so dont worry about it.
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Postby ardypilot » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:55 pm

Got my IFR results back today- 80% for Nav Aids, 84% Navigation and 90% for Law.
Yay no more exams until ATPL time biggrin.gif
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Postby ardypilot » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:13 pm

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Haha- nah these were CPL, but cheers for the link, found the pdf's I need on that site.

Hmmm can't seem to find what I was looking for now- I'm doing my CPL Met KDR's and the sheet instructs me to look under AC61 on the CAA website, and then lists various syllabus references down from 20.2.6 to 20.42.8- however, the 61 circular is all about pilots liscenes and ratings, which are CPL Law chapters? Could anyone tell me where am I meant to be looking please?
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Postby Goose » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:16 pm

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Hmmm can't seem to find what I was looking for now- I'm doing my CPL Met KDR's and the sheet instructs me to look under AC61 on the CAA website, and then lists various syllabus references down from 20.2.6 to 20.42.8- however, the 61 circular is all about pilots liscenes and ratings, which are CPL Law chapters? Could anyone tell me where am I meant to be looking please?


Go to here http://www.caa.govt.nz/rules/ACs.htm

then find AC61-5

opens as a pdf, scroll all the way down and the syllabus is at the bottom for all cpl topics
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Postby Goose » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:29 pm

pacblue wrote:
QUOTE (pacblue @ Jul 1 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dont crash!! if you do that and dont do anything too silly you'll be fine smile.gif
just make your paddock and try to keep things safe and smooth

Best of luck to you sir, please let us all know how you get on.



Passed!!!! So stoked! had Graham Leach, was a really good flight! made a few small mistakes and did one wrong compass turn, he told me to turn onto 090 but i heard 190, haha. Best landings ive ever made in my life, touch down was so smooth, plus precision approach was right on the money! now its onwards to c cat in a month or two.
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Postby ardypilot » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:20 pm

Congrats mate cheers1.gif
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Postby HardCorePawn » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:06 am

Awesome... well done plane.gif notworthy.gif thumbup1.gif clapping.gif

Hoping to do my CPL Cross-Country flight test soon... and then onto the CPL handling stuff...
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Postby Syncop8r » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:03 pm

Hi guys

What are your thoughts on whether to attend (fork out for) lectures for each of the PPL exams?
Necessary? Helpful? Just read the book?
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Postby HardCorePawn » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:01 pm

When I did my PPL's, I attended a ground course... but I just did all the CPL ones via self-study...

Personally, I think you should be able to self-study them using the pilot books, but a lot of it comes down to your personal study preferences. Some people do better in a classroom environment... some people work better alone, studying books and seeking clarification when required.
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Postby HercFeend » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:40 pm

HardCorePawn wrote:
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When I did my PPL's, I attended a ground course... but I just did all the CPL ones via self-study...

Personally, I think you should be able to self-study them using the pilot books, but a lot of it comes down to your personal study preferences. Some people do better in a classroom environment... some people work better alone, studying books and seeking clarification when required.



What he said.......

Depends totally on how you learn but just as important, if not more so, is how committed / disciplined you are. If you know you will commit x number of hours a day to study and you stick to it there is no real reason to to attend ground school - the subject matter and exams really aren't that hard. I self studied all the PPL subjects and sat the exams exams over about 6 weeks, scoring high 80's / 90's % in all. I'm currently self studying CPL - 3 down, all over mid 80's (Human Factors 100% rolleyes.gif ) and three to go.........

Conversely, if you suspect you won't stick to it without instructor guidance then Ground School could be the way to go.

Hope this helps.
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Postby ardypilot » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:57 pm

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Conversely, if you suspect you won't stick to it without instructor guidance then Ground School could be the way to go.[/quote]
That was me- I slacked off way to much in 7th form, then took a year off from education before sitting all my theory- with the mindset I had at the time I started my study, there is no way I would have done it all myself at home, I needed the classroom environment to support my learning, which worked out great. Each to their own I guess.
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Postby TimG » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:26 pm

Trolly wrote:
QUOTE (Trolly @ Jul 2 2009, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Got my IFR results back today- 80% for Nav Aids, 84% Navigation and 90% for Law.
Yay no more exams until ATPL time biggrin.gif


Hi Trolly

Did you do these exams on the computers? If you did, how did you find them compared to the normal (paper) exams. I have these subjects in the next few weeks... It looks like it could be slightly harder with the drag and drop things. You seem to have done alright though!
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Postby ardypilot » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:58 pm

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Did you do these exams on the computers? If you did, how did you find them compared to the normal (paper) exams. I have these subjects in the next few weeks... It looks like it could be slightly harder with the drag and drop things. You seem to have done alright though!

I did all my IFR's on paper thankfully- only had to do a CPL Met resit on the computers.

Was quite an different experience- tick boxes with a flagging system for questions you wish to return to later and a text box at the top of each page for critiquing. I was writing a comment on a question about half way in to my 50 question paper when the computer froze, and the testing officer had to come and reset the program, meaning I had to start from scratch (same questions though) which was frustrating. What was most annoying was the fact that you couldn't physically draw lines or cross out the incorrect options on the page as I had a habit of doing previously, to single out the 'most correct' answers dry.gif however the convenience of getting results on the same day is well worth it.
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Postby TimG » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:01 pm

I see. One good thing about paper it that it doesn't crash dry.gif I hope you got extra time for that. Another good thing is that the marking will be accurate. I know so many people who have sent back their exams for a recount and got different results.

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Postby ZK-Brock » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:21 pm

I self-studied 4 of the 6 PPL exams. I did night classes for PPL Met and Nav, which I am glad I did - those ones are the hardest I reckon.
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