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by **happytraveller** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:17 am

I was reading on the Airliners.net website about the plans to introduce full body scans at Dutch airports. Guess that this will spread to other airports. I for one, do not like the idea of this scan, not only will it increase delays at security checkpoints but we will also have to pay for this extra level of security. Not only that, but it will also give us an extra dose of radiation as well.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/...Bfc...GxuYnNwc3Rvcg--

Interesting comment on the airliners.net site that those that have nothing to hide will not mind the extra checks. The reply to this comment is that when potential terrorists start hiding explosives internally, then internal checks will also become necessary is a good comment. Where will the current level of checks lead to? Quote"

"When the terrorists start bringing devices on board aircraft in their body cavities, will you be okay with body cavity searches as well? After all, we all have body cavities, and you don't have anything to hide, do you?"

The world is going crazy. I also cannot see how the use of an Ipod onboard on US bound flights is now considered to be a security risk. And the need to remain in the seat for the last hour of the flight (on US bound flights). Crazy.

smooth landings (unscanned).

by **happytraveller** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:39 am

and more....

Now reading that passengers on US international flights will not be allowed ANYTHING on their laps for the last part of the flight. Quote:-

New TSA rules ban notebooks, Wi-Fi in late flight
updated 11:50 am EST, Mon December 28, 2009
International flights get reactionary security

The US Transport Security Administration late Sunday implemented new rules that are likely to have far-reaching implications for technology on planes. The security measures will ban those on international flights entering the US from having any "personal belongings" on their laps for the final hour of the flight, restricting notebooks and most other non-handheld devices. Access to carry-on bags is similarly restricted for the same period.

They also preclude use of any communications or entertainment integrated with the plane itself for the final hour of the trip. The step not only restricts traditional services for passengers like phones and seat-mounted TV but also shuts down Wi-Fi services provided by carriers entering the US."

CRAZY. So is reading a paperback book now a 'security risk'. Is reading a magazine a 'security risk'?? Americans gone crazy I think. A very good reason to avoid flying with a US airline or to/from the US. Let us hope that NZ does not go the same way.

Smooth landings.

by **Chairman** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:20 am

happytraveller wrote:
QUOTE (happytraveller @ Dec 31 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They also preclude use of any communications or entertainment integrated with the plane itself for the final hour of the trip.

That was to stop people looking at the maps and seeing when they were over US land, wasn't it ? I suppose next will be that 1 hour from landing all window blinds must be closed so passengers can't look out of the window and see where they are.

Who in their right mind would fly to the US these days ? With all the extra checks and delays and inconveniences it would be almost as fast and a lot more comfortable to fly to Canada and catch a train the rest of the way.

Gary

by **Ian Warren** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:56 am

Body Scanning .. 'Total Recall' , yip , Recall a item on the news only a few months back , The bomb was implanted inside the terroist , the bomb was then activated via cell phone .. the guy just blew up killing the target , the one thing they did say was they had no way to search for this at airports for a target .. any plane , body scan would be the only answer , I have been test subject and this was on a domestic flight in Australia , carry no metal ! it was so slow .... they just pick you out off the line , fortunately i had a shower in the morning to wash BOMB DNA off

by **toprob** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:06 am

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Dec 31 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
fortunately i had a shower in the morning to wash BOMB DNA off

I suspect that if you lived in the US you'd have Homeland Security knocking at your door about now...
I don't want to get into US-bashing, but it does seem that for a nation which holds itself up as a 'the land of the free', the people are very quick to accept curtailment of their rights.
I've not yet flown since my operation, but I suspect that I'd be crazy to try flying to the US with my funny accent, beard, and all this metal inside my chest...

by **Ian Warren** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:29 am

toprob wrote:
QUOTE (toprob @ Dec 31 2009, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've not yet flown since my operation, but I suspect that I'd be crazy to try flying to the US with my funny accent, beard, and all this metal inside my chest...

Have you not seen the good covert movies , I slip in first , they grab me

you just sneak past

But .. Hmm these days with the Media chasing every Star Spangle Person , maybe you should go first , what an advertising stunt !

by **Bazza** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:43 am

toprob wrote:
QUOTE (toprob @ Dec 31 2009, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't want to get into US-bashing, but it does seem that for a nation which holds itself up as a 'the land of the free', the people are very quick to accept curtailment of their rights.

You knew it was going to happen when the TV showed the "Towers" coming down.....

It spawned a multi-billion dollar industry and gets worse every week.

The USA needs to develop a bit of the British "stiff upper lip" and get on with life. When their President castigates his own Security failures you begin to get an idea
just how woeful the whole thing is. Filling the Air Terminals with "rent-a-cops" on low salaries is just one example.

by **TVACGCEO** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:28 pm

toprob wrote:
QUOTE (toprob @ Dec 31 2009, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suspect that if you lived in the US you'd have Homeland Security knocking at your door about now...
I don't want to get into US-bashing, but it does seem that for a nation which holds itself up as a 'the land of the free', the people are very quick to accept curtailment of their rights.
I've not yet flown since my operation, but I suspect that I'd be crazy to try flying to the US with my funny accent, beard, and all this metal inside my chest...

While agree with you as a dual Born national of the US/Canada, no the US people will not accept curtailment of their rights. What you see is a President being desperate and trying to avoid his downfall. His numbers in Job approval are the lowest for any president who ever served and held office. Also 2010 mid term elections are coming and there is serious internal fighting US goverment and some States have threatend to leave the union. 2010 is critical for the US People. Most here probably think the President is the Power man in the US Goverment, but No No. The true power is the Congress and Senate and who can impeach a president or repeal a sitting presidents laws or Lame Duck him to the point of no respect and force his resignation. So you can see 2010 is going to be a wild ride for the US. Lots of blunders Internationally and serious breaches at the domestic levels and near violations of the 10th that involves the US Civil War States rights V Federal.

by **cowpatz** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:01 pm

Yep unfortunately I have to put up with this 2 to 3 times a month.
As flight crew I one was clearing security in LHR when the officer removed a small screwdriver from my bag and tried to confiscate it.
I asked him what the problem was with it and he stated "Because you might take control of the aircraft with it".
It took a few seconds for him to realise the stupidity of the statement. Firstly for trying to think that anyone would take control of an aircraft with a jewellers screwdriver and secondly if I wasn't in control of it then we would all be in a bit of trouble.
Itr hasn't dawned on them yet that it is only American carriers targeted. Also why the checks inbound and not outbound.......are they so confident in their own screening? Have a look at a typical TSA employee when you next pass thru. One step up from a McDonalds server.
Anyone wonder why the flight that did the big overfly for some 150 miles past destination, whilst the pilots were on laptops, not get intercepted??? Not answering calls and continuing over the destination should have had alarm bells go off and a pimply faced 17 yr old in a F16 up along side you in 5 min flat.
They have real issues.

by **Bazza** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:20 pm

[quote name='cowpatz' post='8253001' date='Jan 1 2010, 12:01 AM']Yep unfortunately I have to put up with this 2 to 3 times a month.
Have a look at a typical TSA employee when you next pass thru. One step up from a McDonalds server.

My point exactly.

by **bardos** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:27 am

This is another Dutch solution our government thinks about.....

by **steelsporran** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:15 am

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by **Ian Warren** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:23 am

Arr Max ! good trick , buy everyone cloths without pockets in them

and ......"pimply faced 17 yr old" i was thinking Krusty Burger !

by **cowpatz** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:12 pm

Eeewww. Do they have disposable seat cushion covers they can use to replace the soiled ones after all those sweaty butt checks have been on them?
The FA looks like she could hide something in her butt crack and no one would be the wiser!

by **Airtrainer** » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:46 am

I've just seen this thread, just to add my two cents. Under NZ law as it currently stands you don't have to worry about these 'Backscatter' x-ray machines as they are prohibited under it. Section 12 of the Aviation Crimes Act 1972, subsection 7 states:

QUOTE

(7) Despite subsection (6), with respect to a person searched under subsection (1), a member of the police, an aviation security officer, a Customs officer, or an agent of the carrier authorised by the carrier for the purpose may not use an aid or device that produces an unclothed image of the person.[/quote]
So a law change would be required to use them here. Not impossible but it would just take that little bit longer to implement.

Personally I wouldn't have a problem going through them.

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