Cockpit Views - B29 Enola Gay.

[Bazza]

Got this as an email - thought I'd share it but don't know if it's been around before...

Well worth a look if you haven't seen it..

http://www.davidpalermo.com/data/slideshow/4/index.html

[Ian Warren]

That is dang impressive , Col Paul Tibbet,s and Major Fissbee would be pleased , it amaxing to follow the history on these Superfort,s and course its a Boeing

[connor]

Good find!

[Charl]

Great link.
I remember there was a little international ripple when the Smithsonian chose to restore that particular Boeing to better than new...

Makes a great VC model, too.
I always wonder why flightsim aircraft modellers rarely get the VC glass surrounds smooth, with the proper curves and no jaggies.

Here's the Mustang

[Bazza]

Thanks Charl, that a bit more like it...

Seeing these makes you realize how much work would be required to really have the VC cockpits "as real as it gets."

[Ian Warren]

Both you Baz and Charl , gives you the real depth and feel , the 29 , i keep thinking combat , the P-51B , well one different way to look at cockpits , looks like the Warbirdsim approach , i got the 'D" and with Jan,s Taffy paint , its the cockpit that really show s the detail , very impressive .

[Splitpin]

"Col Paul Tibbet,s and Major Fissbee would be pleased "

Mixed feelings, having lived with Japanese for some years now. Its odd, your average japanese teenager dosent know much about our perspective of the second world war, but they all know what a B-29 is......Ian, as for Col Tibbet's ....Ive read some of his post war comments, an in my opinion the guy was a big headed a***hole.....Yes, the japanese did some bloody awful things....but ask the older population of Dresden what they think about the RAF.

I think the B-29 for f/s is great...as a sim, but if i ever see a sim that replicates the Nagasaki or Hiroshima raids, you can shove it where the sun dont shine.......not you personally of course.

[Ian Warren]

Marty , Yip , had a Girl next door and just so interested , its all history , i cover all aspects , every side , the good and the bad , the hero,s from every side , the nice thing , Tonomi loved chatting with me , went home only to return couple years later , the material i had here , describe battleships using my KG5 and comparing showing how both survived and why many did not , the Bombs .. hey look at our govt,s today , for all the right or wrong reason i happened and is history which i soak in like a sponge , i no many famous Japanese ace,s one in particular and try to figure what and again describe what they are thinking , most all have past now , and its people like me who keep bring the names up for all to remember .

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Feb 10 2011, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Marty , Yip , had a Girl next door and just so interested , its all history , i cover all aspects , every side , the good and the bad , the hero,s from every side , the nice thing , Tonomi loved chatting with me , went home only to return couple years later , the material i had here , describe battleships using my KG5 and comparing showing how both survived and why many did not , the Bombs .. hey look at our govt,s today , for all the right or wrong reason i happened and is history which i soak in like a sponge , i no many famous Japanese ace,s one in particular and try to figure what and again describe what they are thinking , most all have past now , and its people like me who keep bring the names up for all to remember .

I know what your saying Ian.....and i think we should remember...all of it , good and bad. I think i know the guy your talking about (the ace) Sakai Saburo, died in 2000.....him and Adolf Galland, Bader, whoever....just warriors....its the evil bloody politicians we need to forget. Read Gallands book a while ago...good reading, in fact i have about 5 written by german wartime pilots....puts the whole thing into a different light.

About the Enola Gay thing.....i just dont see how anyone can feel proud of what that aircraft did....and the justification behind what it did is (in my opinion) pure B/S......, Ive been to the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum....i think everyone should....but i dont give a rats arse if never see the Enola gay in the flesh.
Maybe Im being a little harsh...and i think Ive taken this a liitle way off course....it was just a post about a cockpit afterall.....sorry Bazza

[Bazza]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Feb 11 2011, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Maybe Im being a little harsh...and i think Ive taken this a liitle way off course....it was just a post about a cockpit afterall.....sorry Bazza

Hey, I don't mind my threads being hi-jacked.... at least it shows someones looking at them.

I don't share your emotion about the plane though, I put it in the same category that the yanks use when talking about firearms, i.e. the planes don't bomb people, people do.

[connor]

Understand what he is saying though, it is like looking at the gun that killed JFK, just a liitle odd?

[Charl]

Yup we aren't going there...war produces some amazing hardware, and we try to simulate that, sometimes.
So...Real vs Sim?
On the right, the 360 view set slowly rotating, and on the left, the sim.
Panning around in sync with the picture, I was really surprised at how GOOD the sim is!
Pics are just shot with phone, sorry I am lazy...

We are simply spoiled I guess.
OK "my" P-51 is a "-D" but a damn good one (WOP), I might just have to spring for Terrell's "B" after all

[Ian Warren]

B29 Enola Gay., could be any 29 its just great with the with latest cameras being able see and imagine , to feel what its like

[Grumble]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Feb 10 2011, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

About the Enola Gay thing.....i just dont see how anyone can feel proud of what that aircraft did....and the justification behind what it did is (in my opinion) pure B/S......, Ive been to the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum....i think everyone should....but i dont give a rats arse if never see the Enola gay in the flesh.
Maybe Im being a little harsh...and i think Ive taken this a liitle way off course....it was just a post about a cockpit afterall.....sorry Bazza

I dunno. I've lived in Japan for the past 17 years (I work as a professional translator), and yes I've been to Hiroshima. If the justification given for the bombs is true (and to be quite honest, I think it is), then I think the right thing was done. If you know any Japanese then you'll know they don't do anything by halves, even if today that dedication has been channeled into other areas. I have no doubt that the death toll on both sides that an invasion of the home islands would have occasioned would have made Hiroshima look like a sideshow. No disrespect whatsoever intended to the dead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - I think that in a very real sense, their sacrifice spared multiple millions of other Japanese from death, and their homeland from complete devastation.

[nzav8tor]

Japans' leaders would have had every man, woman and child fight to the death rather than surrender had it not been for the H bombs.

Many more were killed and maimed by the fuel air bombs dropped prior to the raids on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that virtually decimated all Japanese cities yet they refused to surrender.

The war, indeed all wars are tragedy in and of themself, not just for one act which ultimately brought peace and saved those that were fortunate to survive.