RNZAF Aermacchis Go On The Market

[HamiltonWest]

RNZAF Aermacchis Go On The Market
http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/rnzaf-aerma...-market/5/93144

[Naki]

Sort of relevant is this posted over at WONZ...

http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board...3594&page=1

[Ian Warren]

So much the for-sight off our Government - Brand new only a few years old then shut the wings down , why did they even bother even spending - no forward Vision

[deaneb]

QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jun 24 2011,4:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So much the for-sight off our Government - Brand new only a few years old then shut the wings down , why did they even bother even spending - no forward Vision

Its called a change of government.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (deaneb @ Jun 24 2011,6:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Its called a change of government.

I no , still bloody ridiculous , even pre 'cluck' should have had foresight , they have had them flying .. again like the A4 , they wont find a buyer other than private ventures example the L39 s around the world .

[coltis]

good old nz goverment real money wasters . maybe go cap in hand to cyril smith down at mandaville get a couple of old tigermoths and start the whole bloody process again.l

[Ian Warren]

One thing i recall mentioned when with pride , ATC , today if its not shaken down rip it down anyway , strange to think - mentioned that to Rick yesterday , that,s screwed

We are living history , in Christchurch they could have really done with the close in support of Wigram and its original base , that,s screwed

Our Air force , that,s screwed don't figure why they not been more open on the market till this now press release , now that,s screwed

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (deaneb @ Jun 24 2011,5:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Its called a change of government.

I agree Deane, Im staying low on this one....but we will at least get a macchi at the museum, and politics aside, thats better than nothing. Its all spilt milk...so no point in crying....i cant be undone.

[dbcunnz]

At the rate the Govt are shifting defense Army, Navy and Air force personal from servicemen to civilian public servants working for the Defense department there will be no NZ servicemen left in a few years so there will be no NZ Army, Navy or Air force with no Army, Navy or Air force the Govt will not have a Defense department so they can fire all the civilian public servants and save the country millions and millions of dollars.
But then again the way the Govt is letting foreigners buy up NZ land and farms and fishing boats fish our waters there wont be anything left for New Zealand to defend anyway.

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jun 24 2011,9:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

At the rate the Govt are shifting defense Army, Navy and Air force personal from servicemen to civilian public servants working for the Defense department there will be no NZ servicemen left in a few years so there will be no NZ Army, Navy or Air force with no Army, Navy or Air force the Govt will not have a Defense department so they can fire all the civilian public servants and save the country millions and millions of dollars.
But then again the way the Govt is letting foreigners buy up NZ land and farms and fishing boats fish our waters there wont be anything left for New Zealand to defend anyway.

Interesting way of looking at it Doug......sad to say, you may be right.

[J7G]

Navy is being vastly improved. Which is needed since protection of the sea (ergo, trade lanes) is of vital importance. This is a worldwide trend. I would put the RNZAF next in importance, being able to reach out and touch anybody in the contiguous zone. Of least importance, in my ever so humble view, is the army.

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (J7G @ Jun 24 2011,10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Navy is being vastly improved. Which is needed since protection of the sea (ergo, trade lanes) is of vital importance. This is a worldwide trend. I would put the RNZAF next in importance, being able to reach out and touch anybody in the contiguous zone. Of least importance, in my ever so humble view, is the army.

Good points J7G .......but Im staying of this one from here on in. Ive been through the Tri service ...who needs who thing many times ....perhaps all we need is a form of Coastguard (as per the U.S)

[J7G]

Yes, Customs could handle that but they would need to give them more than a converted pleasure craft as an operational ship! As an ex Customs Officer I can tell you we were very jealous of the Australians and their ships, not to mention the .50 cals!

[Naki]

QUOTE (J7G @ Jun 24 2011,10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Navy is being vastly improved. Which is needed since protection of the sea (ergo, trade lanes) is of vital importance. This is a worldwide trend. I would put the RNZAF next in importance, being able to reach out and touch anybody in the contiguous zone. Of least importance, in my ever so humble view, is the army.

Agree.

The Aermacchi as I understand it need new engines as RR wont support the ones in them..they also need avionic upgrades (would you believe 20 years has gone by since they arrived)...so putting them back in serivce wont be cheap...probably some warbird collector will buy one and prove that wrong. In any case the airforce are probably better off now buying Raytheon T-6s or some other turboprop trainer - the performance is not too far off the Aermacchi.

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (Naki @ Jun 24 2011,10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agree.

The Aermacchi as I understand it need new engines as RR wont support the ones in them..they also need avionic upgrades (would you believe 20 years has gone by since they arrived)...so putting them back in serivce wont be cheap...probably some warbird collector will buy one and prove that wrong. In any case the airforce are probably better off now buying Raytheon T-6s or some other turboprop trainer - the performance is not too far off the Aermacchi.

Funny that you mention that Naki, last week i was listining to an Air Commodore talking about they way things are, and he mentioned the T-6 or PC-9. It was interesting to hear him...he's flown everything...F-16, f-18, f-4....and has a real soft spot for the old F-5, which he thought would have been ideal for us...with the upgrade to the F-20, had that gone ahead.
Also spoke about cross training with the RAAF.....eg, doing all their basic flying training here in NZ.....and leading to an australasian airforce/defence force.....but only in a perfect world i suppose.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jun 25 2011,1:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

F-5, which he thought would have been ideal for us...with the upgrade to the F-20, had that gone ahead.

Shows the politics go's world wide , Chuck Yeager and with his credit and no gave the thumbs up for the F-20 program and believed it to be as good if not better than the 16 but that,s all history , its going to be interesting to see how quickly the Macchis are sold , all talk about spending money , the cost off trying to sell off the Skyhawk would have been cheaper to put them in museums ten years back .

[h290master]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jun 24 2011,8:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree Deane, Im staying low on this one....but we will at least get a macchi at the museum, and politics aside, thats better than nothing. Its all spilt milk...so no point in crying....i cant be undone.

Would it not be cheaper to fly the mb339 you guys are getting down to wigram vs going the skyhawk approach via a number of trucks?

[Splitpin]

QUOTE (h290master @ Jun 25 2011,5:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Would it not be cheaper to fly the mb339 you guys are getting down to wigram vs going the skyhawk approach via a number of trucks?

I think the one we are getting is one thats been made of bits and pieces of others , and already dismantled. Either way, it would have to land at chc and be taken apart for transport to Wigram, as the runway is pretty well gone now. But yes it would have been nice to have an exibit "fly " in, i think the next to arrive under there own power will be the souix and the hueys....maybe.

[Ian Warren]

QUOTE (Splitpin @ Jun 25 2011,6:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

, and already dismantled. Either way, it would have to land at chc and be taken apart for transport to Wigram, as the runway is pretty well gone now. But yes it would have been nice to have an exibit "fly " in, i think the next to arrive under there own power will be the souix and the hueys....maybe.

As i said before , well ! hells its now history we are living ... CHCH have no prob,s taken history out icons out including man made destroying many newbies .

[HamiltonWest]

Skyhawks, Aermacchis bound for air museums
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1107/S000...air-museums.htm