airways charts

[kiwicruiser]

hi , people , i hope some one can help
ive just brought flights 1 atr 72, , im working my way through the fmc , but i need to put in way points
where can i find these waypoints

[Ian Warren]

I was spose to get these updated but they give you good nav meantime pre FMC


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[deeknow]

Kiwi. It depends how up to date you want the waypoints to be really, as Ian points out there are free sources about the place but they do get out of date.
If you want to do some online flying on vatsim then I'd reccomend you put down a few ponies on a subsription at Navigraph following, they do a monthly update for the F1 ATR and most other payware aircraft, plus for the freebie VasFMC. They dont just provide waypoints either, its all airways and departure and arrival SID/STAR procedures. It's an excellent service:
http://www.navigraph.com/www/default.asp

[Adamski]

QUOTE (kiwicruiser @ Jun 24 2011,8:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ive just brought flights 1 atr 72, , im working my way through the fmc , but i need to put in way points
where can i find these waypoints

Firstly - BIG welcome to NZFF!

Excellent choice of aircraft. It's been one of my favourites since my FS9 days - and it's ported over to FSX really well. It's been a long time since I fiddled with that FMC, but I *think* I used to use vRoute to create a flight plan and import it. I'll have to double check. I bought vRoute for use in my VANZ career (another wonderful way of filling countless hours when you should be doing something else!). If you use the Pro version of vRoute, I think it uses the latest Navigraph data (so you don't need to buy it yourself).

I wonder whether any of the other flight plan utils would do it .. FSC etc. .. but I suppose it's the same deal - they all use Navigraph data <?>.

[cowpatz]

A navigraph subscription is the way to go although we tend to get a bit neglected down this part of the world. The subscription allows you to download nav data for many different vendors aircraft. It is relatively cheap.
Vroute has an option for Premium users to export flight plans directly in the Flight 1 ATR format....very handy and it will also do fuel planning, profiling and graphical weather depiction for you as well. It seems that Vroute uses the latest AIRAC cycle by default. You no longer need the code from Navigraph to activate it.
Alternatively if you just want a list of the NZ waypoint co-ordinates you can find it here.

[kiwicruiser]

thanks guys , for your time and replying
cheers

[kiwicruiser]

QUOTE (cowpatz @ Jun 25 2011,10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A navigraph subscription is the way to go although we tend to get a bit neglected down this part of the world. The subscription allows you to download nav data for many different vendors aircraft. It is relatively cheap.
Vroute has an option for Premium users to export flight plans directly in the Flight 1 ATR format....very handy and it will also do fuel planning, profiling and graphical weather depiction for you as well. It seems that Vroute uses the latest AIRAC cycle by default. You no longer need the code from Navigraph to activate it.
Alternatively if you just want a list of the NZ waypoint co-ordinates you can find it here.

hi thanks for that , im looking at it now , but im not sure just what i put put in , if i was lookin at wellington to new plymouth what would i put in for each waypoint

[deeknow]

QUOTE (cowpatz @ Jun 25 2011,10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A navigraph subscription is the way to go although we tend to get a bit neglected down this part of the world.

For charts yeah they're definately not paying us much attention, but for procedure/waypoint data they've been pretty good as far as I've seen. Usually each month includes the NZ CAA changes that have gone on, have you noticed otherwise?

[cowpatz]

It really is dependent on which vendors data you download. For example PMDG has good coverage and accurate procedures. Some others are not so good.

Kiwicruiser:
Go to the Vroute website here and when downloaded you can select Wellington as your departure airfield and then New Plymouth as your destination (via drop down boxes). Click on the export tab and you will have a series of output formats to choose from. If you select the progress card you will get a PDF which you can print out that has all the waypoint data, tracks, distances and navigation frequencies you will need. Of course if you elect to go with the Premium version you can export it to a file for use directly by the Flight 1 ATR which you can select from the FMC. Up to you.

[deeknow]

QUOTE (cowpatz @ Jun 26 2011,8:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It really is dependent on which vendors data you download. For example PMDG has good coverage and accurate procedures. Some others are not so good.

But all the vendor specific FMC files are generated by Navigraph from the same data-set and at the same time surely, why would the PMDG stuff be any different?

[kiwicruiser]

QUOTE (cowpatz @ Jun 26 2011,8:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It really is dependent on which vendors data you download. For example PMDG has good coverage and accurate procedures. Some others are not so good.

Kiwicruiser:
Go to the Vroute website here and when downloaded you can select Wellington as your departure airfield and then New Plymouth as your destination (via drop down boxes). Click on the export tab and you will have a series of output formats to choose from. If you select the progress card you will get a PDF which you can print out that has all the waypoint data, tracks, distances and navigation frequencies you will need. Of course if you elect to go with the Premium version you can export it to a file for use directly by the Flight 1 ATR which you can select from the FMC. Up to you.

thanks for that , sure made things easier, and thanks to all the people who took the time to reply
to me

[cowpatz]

QUOTE (deeknow @ Jun 30 2011,8:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

But all the vendor specific FMC files are generated by Navigraph from the same data-set and at the same time surely, why would the PMDG stuff be any different?

It might be from the same data set but the coverage is not always the same. For example take a look at the difference between VasFMC data and PMDG and Flight 1.
Different airfields are covered. I am not sure who dictates which airfields are covered but it may have something to do with what the vendor initially offers and then only these airfield procedures are updated. Some also have DME arc procedures and others do not even if that specific vendor equipment is capable of it.
Some of the procedures have leg type combinations and construction which simply don't work with the vendors equipment.

[deeknow]

Interesting, thanks for that CP

[J7G]

Does anyone know if it's possible to input a lat/long into the default GPS at all? I mean, while we're on the waypoint subject

[cowpatz]

Not manually unless the waypoint is in the flight sim database. The waypoint format would be in the Arinc convention. N50 W030 would be 5030N. They have to be a 5 figure group.
The only time that this would be used is when crossing the atlantic or on a flex track (user preferred route). Only whole degrees of lat or long can be used.
If you go to Vroute and enter say KJFK as the departure airfield and EGLL (Heathrow) as the arrival airfield you will get lat/long positions as in the above format. This can be saved to a FS2004 or FSX file format .pln.
When you go to the flight planner in flt sim you can load this route. The lat/longs will appear on the flight plan list and show as the active waypoint, but in the plan view all you will see is a magenta line that then turns white. The point where it changes colour is the lat/long waypoint position.

[deeknow]

QUOTE (J7G @ Jun 26 2011,11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Does anyone know if it's possible to input a lat/long into the default GPS at all? I mean, while we're on the waypoint subject

Actually in theory this should be doable if you fancy knocking up your own waypoints and compiling them using the tools in the flightsim SDK. Have a read of the following page...
http://www.mutleyshangar.com/features/jda/wp.htm

The extension on this idea (which we discussed over at virtualairnz some time back) would be using the same approach to generate the oceanic lat/long waypoints that CP is talking about for the tracks you're interested in. e.g. you'd create named waypoints like N01E130, N02E130, N03E130 and those would then be available in the flightsim database via the GPS. As I say, all theory, havent tried it myself but I think it would work fine.

[cowpatz]

QUOTE (deeknow @ Jul 4 2011,6:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Actually in theory this should be doable if you fancy knocking up your own waypoints and compiling them using the tools in the flightsim SDK. Have a read of the following page...
http://www.mutleyshangar.com/features/jda/wp.htm

The extension on this idea (which we discussed over at virtualairnz some time back) would be using the same approach to generate the oceanic lat/long waypoints that CP is talking about for the tracks you're interested in. e.g. you'd create named waypoints like N01E130, N02E130, N03E130 and those would then be available in the flightsim database via the GPS. As I say, all theory, havent tried it myself but I think it would work fine.

Yes this is easily done but accessing the waypoints using the default GPS is not that easy nor is it flexible.

[deeknow]

Not easy in what way Steve? Just cumbersome to enter them?

[cowpatz]

Yes. You can only do a direct to it or else the waypoint (as part of a flight plan) has to be entered via the FS flight planner. This requires it to be saved and then reloaded.
That Flight planner is weird as well. As an example when going from A to B via airways it uses some really bizarre ways to get there. When I tried NZAA to PHNL it gave me a route via NCRG instead of a more direct one!
I have tried to modify the routes within FS with limited success. The logic is bizarre. I can only conclude that this part of the FS program was designed by a female

[J7G]

Thanks for the thoughts guys. I was thinking of turning my hand to making little bits of scenery but they'd be out in the middle of nowhere and I'd likely lose myself looking for it! Cheers.