The new RNZAF

[Splitpin]

Im sure this will put the cat amongst the pigeons ...... but here ya go. I had next too nothing to do today at work, so i started to redesign the air force .
So far i got to here:

Transport : x6 A400M
X6 C295

Maritime: x6 C295 (ASW/SAR Equip)

Rotor: x10 MH-60R
x5 CH-47F
x10 A-109

VIP & Longhaul pax tpt x2 A-330
" Shorthaul / Nav trainer & multi turbine conversion x 6 B-200

Training x15 PC-9 , and retain upgraded CT-4's for ab initio training.


Im not sure about the numbers (of all) either, you would have to work out the numbers based on fully trained crews for each type i suppose.

Reasoning:

C-130's (as much as i love them ) are old ......7001-7003 were the first H models ever built, and you can only upgrade so many times ....they are old aircraft.
757's ....same story , over 18 years old .

P-3's(love them too) but... almost 50 years old and although upgraded are, to quote a recent article on the subject by Rob Niel ,"overkill " in terms of capability and economic practicality. Chile is(or was) replacing most of their P-3's with the C-295's.

I wont bore you anymore......it was just an exercise,

[Ian Warren]

Cripes Marty - 6 AM400s ... 12 CN235s .. !0 MHR60s and 5 Chooks ... they'll go down well for Christmas

Not a bad idea .. now lets see peoples make up our RNZAF Chrissy wish list

[Naki]

Im a bit of a armchair defense procurement officer - heres my take (putting aside any mention of fast jets)

Transport
4 A400M (need something big enough to carry the NH-90s & LAVs)
4 C295
1 737BBJ

Martime
4 P-8 In my view the P-8 is only one that has the range and capabilty for NZ - C-295 too small and not enough range. NZ is a maritime nation some way from anywhere and maritime capability is a priority even if it sacrificing some of Marty's A400s and C295s
3 King Air 350MP

Rotor
10 Lynx Wildcat
10 NH-90s
10 A-109LUH

Training
4 King Air 350
12 T-6 Texan 11
(basic training carried out by CTC/Massey or something similar as per RAAF)

[Splitpin]

Air vice-marshal Naki ,

Good plan. We differ a little in some areas , but seem to have come close.

I'm reviewing my rotory wing ..... in hindsight i think the CH-47's may not have been a good idea..... so lets go with your NH-90 fleet.

"NZ is a maritime nation some way from anywhere and maritime capability is a priority " ....agree....


My Reasoning behind the C295 for 5Sqn , is that they have a ferry range of 2,850km (10 hours) on a standard fuel load , and are capable of in flight refuelling from the A400, as is the NH-90 and the A-400 can be converted in just 2 hours to a tanker roll....this comes as standard fit on all models.


"basic training carried out by CTC/Massey or something similar as per RAAF" great idea , and maybe gain extra revenue by training other pacific rim aircrew.

Re fast jets ....Im not sure, but I think keep in line with the RAAF ....read...F-18's.

[deeknow]

You guys need to start the vRNZAF

[SUBS17]

Chuck some F-16s in there as well.

[J7G]

Personally, in a perfect world, I would opt for F18s because of our maritme environment really needing an extra engine in case one goes out at sea. Also for interoperability/corporate knowledge with the Aussies.


Transport:

2x C17s
4x C130Js
6x C27s

Maritime:

Agree with the P8. It's a highly capable aircraft and does everything we need them to do. 8x.

Training:

12x Super Tucano. Can be used operationally as either FAC or CAS for the army.

Speaking of CAS...

1x AC130 for those personal moments.

[Ian Warren]

Lucky Buggers ... I really can't put my list in ... like everything else on this forum id appear to bloody greedy