NZFF

by **toprob** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:50 am

Announced on Orbx forum:

NZQN Queenstown
NZKK Kerikeri and Bay Of Islands surrounds
NZTG, Tauranga Airport
NZRO, Rotorua Intl
NZMO, Te Anau Airport/Manapouri

It certainly looks like they are committed to NZ. Hopefully some local developers doing some of this work.

by **Ian Warren** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:00 pm

toprob wrote:
QUOTE (toprob @ Jan 1 2013,12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully some local developers doing some of this work.

Im on the Moon today so make me not local

..

by **toprob** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:04 pm

Ian Warren wrote:
QUOTE (Ian Warren @ Jan 1 2013,1:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Im on the Moon today so make me not local ..

Don't you just hate it when you wake up somewhere strange on New Years Day, and don't know how you got there...

by **Ian Warren** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:08 pm

What ya talking about Willis

.. i'm always here

by **dbcunnz** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:47 pm

Isn't it great the way they do all the airports that NZ developers have already done so they can stuff up the levels etc again

by **scaber** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:23 pm

dbcunnz wrote:
QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jan 1 2013,2:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't it great the way they do all the airports that NZ developers have already done so they can stuff up the levels etc again

Well, the NZ developers could beat them at their own game by redoing their's to match Orbx - much as Mike has already done.

by **Ian Warren** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:36 pm

Now that is well said .. use the base and build ..

by **dbcunnz** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:39 pm

scaber wrote:
QUOTE (scaber @ Jan 1 2013,4:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the NZ developers could beat them at their own game by redoing there's to match Orbx - much as Mike has already done.

That is fine but why didn't OBX look at the NZ developers stuff and develop their scenery to accommodate the NZ developers instead of the NZ developers having to redo all their scenery to match OBX.
From what I can see is that ORBX wants to kill off the NZ developers and take over the whole lot for themselves just a selfish pack of never mind I wont say it

by **Splitpin** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:48 pm

toprob wrote:
QUOTE (toprob @ Jan 1 2013,1:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't you just hate it when you wake up somewhere strange on New Years Day, and don't know how you got there...

Rob ...those were the good old days ....

dbcunnz wrote:
QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jan 1 2013,4:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is fine but why didn't OBX look at the NZ developers stuff and develop their scenery to accommodate the NZ developers instead of the NZ developers having to redo all their scenery to match OBX.
From what I can see is that ORBX wants to kill off the NZ developers and take over the whole lot for themselves just a selfish pack of never mind I wont say it

" never mind I wont say it" .... no dont say it Big D ....the forum has ears

JV will get ya

Doug...i saw an ad on tv the other day for mysky ....and theres this dude (father time) and he looks like you big guy

Sorry to hijack the thread.

by **Splitpin** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:08 pm

scaber wrote:
QUOTE (scaber @ Jan 1 2013,4:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, the NZ developers could beat them at their own game by redoing there's to match Orbx - much as Mike has already done.

Yes

I wont say anymore because i get into trouble

by **creator2003** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:21 pm

Well they wont be knocking me off or outta doing scenery ,Ive been quiet late 2012 planning my year for 2013 & doing the work ,there open statements only help me plan better which i thank them ,i look forward to the extra airports and a updates to NZNI

by **dbcunnz** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:45 pm

If ORBX was to consult and work with the NZ developers then I'm sure that there wouldn't be all this agro

by **toprob** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:47 pm

creator2003 wrote:
QUOTE (creator2003 @ Jan 1 2013,6:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well they wont be knocking me off or outta doing scenery ,Ive been quiet late 2012 planning my year for 2013 & doing the work ,there open statements only help me plan better which i thank them ,i look forward to the extra airports and a updates to NZNI

Good to hear, Mike. I was hoping you'd be responsible for at least one of their announced releases, though, I think you'd have a lot to offer an Orbx NZ project.

dbcunnz wrote:
QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jan 1 2013,6:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If ORBX was to consult and work with the NZ developers then I'm sure that there wouldn't be all this agro

Just to clarify, Orbx did talk to me early on about releasing my stuff as Orbx products, but I decided against it -- I'm too used to doing things my way, I think. I've said before, though, that there is a real need for some freeware developers to come to some sort of arrangement with Orbx, which would benefit NZ simmers well beyond the shelf-life of FTX NZ.

by **ZK-LGD** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:16 pm

dbcunnz wrote:
QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jan 1 2013,6:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If ORBX was to consult and work with the NZ developers then I'm sure that there wouldn't be all this agro

From where I've been sitting lately, this "agro" appears to be coming from some of the NZFF membership, not local developers. Both Robin and Mike have stated their position; Orbx, theirs. Can't we let sleeping dogs lie?

by **creator2003** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:36 pm

Yeah i fly Orbx which i do like now , it makes any scenery look good ,so i dont have anything bad to say to be honest ,when the world comes out im looking forward to flying the amazon and building some strips in there

by **Yob** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:07 pm

dbcunnz wrote:
QUOTE (dbcunnz @ Jan 1 2013,1:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is fine but why didn't OBX look at the NZ developers stuff and develop their scenery to accommodate the NZ developers instead of the NZ developers having to redo all their scenery to match OBX.
From what I can see is that ORBX wants to kill off the NZ developers and take over the whole lot for themselves just a selfish pack of never mind I wont say it

no but i am sure that Nz developers will win here is a very short and classified tactic.

All devel band together and make a mega alliance of Nz developers
Then begin work on New Zealand X which will cover the Beauty of NZ to the full and more accurately then Orbx (for instance correct me if i am wrong but Orbx is not photo real so if you made it really good you could navigate your way to Linwood to pick up my Nan and Papa and drive them to Wigram to take them to the Museum.

by **toprob** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:43 pm

Yob wrote:
QUOTE (Yob @ Jan 2 2013,7:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
no but i am sure that Nz developers will win here is a very short and classified tactic.

All devel band together and make a mega alliance of Nz developers
Then begin work on New Zealand X which will cover the Beauty of NZ to the full and more accurately then Orbx (for instance correct me if i am wrong but Orbx is not photo real so if you made it really good you could navigate your way to Linwood to pick up my Nan and Papa and drive them to Wigram to take them to the Museum.

Really, the idea of competing for the NZ scenery market is new, and a little off-putting -- until now, local developers have shared the market as best they could, and even collaborated at times. Now I know that freeware developers don't need to worry too much about market share, so I can only speak for myself as a payware developer. There is nothing to be gained in fighting for a share of the NZ market, it is far too small. Personally I'd be happy to sit out the next year or two, and come back when the market returns to 'normal'.

by **scaber** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:35 pm

Well I like ORBX FTX products and so far have them all and have been very satisfied with what I think is very good value for money. For about the price of one new aircraft I get lots of new territory to explore. In fact I'm not sure that I have enough of years left to explore what I already have! Yes, there are some mistakes and omission (found that Akaroa is missing the other day!) but these do get corrected over time, and even with these errors it is still most enjoyable.

If you look at it from the perspective of bang for your bucks then you can't go past it. Yes, it sounds like I'm a fan boi but where else can I get such a wide coverage to a good standard from one purchase. I know there is lots of good freeware available but having to hunt it down and install it all has got to being too tedious for me!

Not so sure about FTX Global where the price is a bit out of my range! However, it seems to be a big improvement on the default so if the readies become available I may be a starter.

Anyway, if this is World Domination then bring it on I say, other developers will continue to make good products and I'm sure that many will be making them compatible with ORBX; those that don't will be competing for a different group of customers much as some people today are still producing stuff for FS2009 and being successful in that market.

As the old proverb says: "Lets live and let live" - ie Run your own life the way you want to, and let others do the same; be tolerant of our differences.

by **IslandBoy77** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:27 am

scaber wrote:
QUOTE (scaber @ Jan 2 2013,9:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As the old proverb says: "Lets live and let live" - ie Run your own life the way you want to, and let others do the same; be tolerant of our differences.

One small problem with that axiom: what if the "others" want to change the way you live? And, what if the way you want to live your life conflicts with how others want to live theirs? Fact is, humans aren't tolerant of one another - we like our lives the way we like them. I've noted that "tolerant" people are only tolerant of those who think the way they do. There are all sorts of "gotchas" to "big players" like Orbx muscling in to a very small market like NZ - it will be interesting to have this conversation again in 2 years and see whether the overall long-term result for NZ is positive or negative. My money is on negative, judging by how things have worked out in other industries when a big player moves into a niche area...

by **toprob** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:57 am

I do think that things will be a lot different in a couple of years, but I don't think it has much to do with Orbx. Over the last couple of years flightsim had been steadily dying, and it's really only the likes of Orbx who are extending it's life at the moment. Really, flightsim as we know it was always based on Microsoft's interest in this quirky hobby, combined with a huge PC user base. Microsoft have quit now, and PCs are on the way out, so the only future it has is folks like us looking back on the good old days.

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