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Postby SeanTK » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:05 pm

...To quote a certain famous frog.

Just a simple VC study of some of my regulars. I'll leave it up to you to figure out what each aircraft is. Four shots in total. Should be pretty easy but I'll provide two hints:
1. They are all Russian aircraft. tongue.gif
2. Three of the four are freeware.

The person with the most precise answers get's a virtual cookie...or something.
Figured that some here may be interested to see what the usual views look like in my simulator sessions.








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Postby Ian Warren » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:21 pm

Arr Its not easy being green, one thing they try and sell here in New Zealand , I'll let the budding plane nutters go for the Chocolate fish .... funny have a friend from CZ and one thing he did say, Russia land of concrete ... maybe that's why they paint the cockpits green tongue.gif
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Postby wildmanfiveone » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:06 pm

Bottom screen is a Hind, no idea about the rest
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Postby Splitpin » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:06 pm

Great post Sean ..... Ian , the colour was used (correct me if im wrong Sean) because green is midway in the spectrum , and is thought to reduce eye fatigue and be soothing.
Some subs use the same thing.
Sean , Ill leave the guessing to the group .... but i think 4 is a Hind.
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Postby Yob » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:08 pm

3rd is Mig-21 and i think second is that 3 engine Tu.
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Postby Roelio » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:59 am

First one: Tu-144
Second one: Tu-154
Third one: MiG-21
Fourth one: Mi-24D

Guess the last one is the payware one, since I never found a decent freeware one.

Can you tell me what Tu-144 model and MiG-21 models those are? I know for sure that the Tu-154 is from Project Tupolev. I guess that Hind is from Nemeth...
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Postby SeanTK » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:56 am

Thanks for all the comments and interest, everyone!

The aircraft in order of appearance, are as follows:

Tupolev Tu-144D (NATO: "CHARGER")
Tupolev Tu-154B-2 (NATO: "CARELESS")
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF (NATO: "FISHBED-J")
Mil Mi-24D (NATO: "HIND-D")


Before I get to the addon details, a note about the cockpit coloration:
There's seemingly dozens of various opinions as to why that color was chosen, ranging from "It was cheap", to "The factory ran out of other colors". To the best of my knowledge though, Splitpin's theory is correct. The color was deemed to be soothing to the eyes and/or calming psychologically.
Additionally, the color varied, even among aircraft produced around the same time in the same factory, so there's really no set standard. Some look more green, some more blue. Also, early Douglas DC-9 jets used this color in some of their aircraft as well.


Regarding the addons...

Tupolev Tu-144 by Nikita Konstantinov and Mikhail Mitin, and team.

If you are seriously interested in figuring this one out, please send me a private message. This is one of the most user unfriendly addons I've had the pleasure of trying to master. It extremely enjoyable, but just the addon setup (files to download, supporting documentation to learn, joystick setup, etc) is as complex as it gets, and that's before you even learn about the actual systems on-board the jet!
I will say that the main file is available at the link below (avsimrus.com) but there are some additional fixes needed for supersonic operation to work correctly (otherwise you'll crash) that are available on the avsimrus/avsim.su forums. I was also able to track down some English-language documentation that a Project Tupolev forum user produced that leads you through how to set up the unfriendly and complex joystick setup utility with the addon, as well as figure out weight/balance, and systems. PLEASE consult with me prior to using this one, and I'll be glad to help out. It's a bit of a mess, and has a learning curve arguably steeper than the Tu-154. As far as I can tell, I'm one of very, very few non-Russians that can operate this thing, and from what I can make out from the crappy Google Translate service from their forums, there aren't many in the Russian community that know how to fly it either. In my opinion, this is one of the most rewarding FSX addon aircraft to master, because very few people know how to use it!
The addon itself has a fully featured sound set, very complete VC covering the pilot and copilot stations (the flight engineer station requires the use of the 2D panel) and numerous custom animations linked to the state of the canards, movable nose-cone and flight conditions (aileron droop at low airspeeds, windshield wipers, landing gear, braking parachutes, etc)

The aircraft itself represents what was to be the final edition of the Tu-144 prior to the fall of the USSR. Unlike earlier versions, and unlike the later flying laboratory version (I'll get to that in a minute), the D model was fitted with non-afterburning turbojet engines designed to boost the range of the Tu-144 so that it would be comparable to the Concorde. As far as I know (my official Tu-144 book comes tomorrow) there were six D models produced, plus one left incomplete. The Tu-144 concept itself proved to pretty much be a failure for the USSR, as a host of problems plagued the type throughout it's service life and evolutions. These problems were primarily mechanical in nature, and the the frequency of issues was high enough that Alexei Tupolev and two government aviation safety representatives had to personally inspect each aircraft and sign off on each flight leaving Moscow. For what it's worth, the Tu-144 could allegedly fly higher and faster than the Concorde due to how it was constructed (more titanium) but the amount of systems issues, as well as fatigue issues the aircraft had really negated any advantages. As far as I can tell, the only passenger route that it served (for only roughly 50 flights) was from Moscow (Domodedovo) to Almaty, Kazakhstan (known as Alma-Ata in Soviet times).

The last iteration of the Tu-144 to fly was called the Tu-144LL, and was a joint project between NASA, Lockheed, a few other American companies, and Tupolev to support a "flying laboratory". This was a re-engined (with afterburners again!) converted Tu-144D that flew off and on until the mid-90s. There are videos on Youtube of this aircraft taking off and landing that you can find today.

I could get into further detail, but I'll save it.
Check it out here:

http://www.avsim.su/f/fsx-originalnie-samo...v3-5-44272.html





Tupolev Tu-154B-2 by Project Tupolev.

I'll preface this by saying that I haven't been able to access the actual PT website in a while due to my virus scanner claiming that it is an attack site. I am not sure if this is a false positive. With that being said, I do have a valid Avsimrus.com link that should provide you with the latest version.
This addon aircraft is the latest evolution of a line of Tu-154 iterations that has been in existence since roughly 2004-2005, and it has been a significant contributor to my interest in Russian aviation. This specific model is the Tu-154B-2 for FSX (native) and represents the version of the Tu-154 that was most popular in the late 70s to early 80s. It was superceded by the Tu-154M in the mid-80s, though the B-2 model continues to operate in extremely limited numbers today (although for all I know they may have stopped using it a few months ago).

This addon, like the Tu-144 above, is a complex systems simulation, and features two cockpit variations (70s and 90s panels) as well as two colors (green and blue). This aircraft has a couple of auto-installers which make things easy, as well as an approximately 300 page English-language manual that should be able to get most people in the air. The manual actually dates from the early FS2004-era version 9.4, but almost all of it still applies, with the exception of having to set up FSUIPC, and the locations of some 2D windows. This addon also comes with an independent joystick utility in order to more properly simulate the control forces between your hardware and the addon, though this utility is easier to figure out/use than that of the Tu-144. Among the features found in this addon, you'll experience a full suite of Russian crew callouts for many phases of flight, from engine start all the way through touchdown. Additionally, the VC is well populated with an abundnance of fully functioning gauges at all crew stations, and with the exception of some functions on the overhead panel, it is possible to fly this aircraft completely from the VC.

This aircraft is continually updated, and at this time, it is on version 1.2.1. I could write a lot more, but to be brief, if you have further questions either on the real deal (I have a book in my collection specifically related to the Tu-154) or about the addon, let me know.
It is available here:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/tra...oEhXrnOhKmcesxA




Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF by Ivan Jurcaga.

The famous "Fishbed". This is probably the easiest aircraft in the bunch to use, and is a representation of this famous Soviet attack aircraft. The MF specifically is the export version of the MiG-21SM, though you can find a number of Russian addon liveries for this model online in addition to liveries from many other countries, including Finland, Hungary, East and West Germany, Poland, and Bulgaria, among others. I'm a bit rusty on my MiG history, so I'll focus on the addon.

This aircraft comes with a detailed virtual cockpit and has enough systems depth so that it's not a get-up-and-go sort of affair, though it's also not something that you'll need to spend a week studying either. The user has the option of customizing the aircraft's loadout (fuel tanks, missiles, rockets, empty, or some combination) as well as the appearance of the pilot's flight helmet. Additionally, with an update available on the author's website linked below, you have the option of using JATO rockets, which can be quite fun! Regarding the soundset, the addon itself doesn't actually come with one, due to the author recommending that users download his earlier MiG-21F-13 for FS2004, and using the sound that came with that.

Due to the delta-wing shape and the narrow profile, the aircraft can be quite tricky to land as it needs a significant amount of speed to remain stable on approach while not sinking like a rock. Beyond that though, it's a very enjoyable aircraft to maneuver through the air, with the only other concern worth noting is that you have to really monitor that fuel gauge, as it consumes fuel extremely quickly. Please note that this and the Hind lack guages in "imperial" units of measurement. Everything is in metric. The Tu-144 and Tu-154 both have secondary altimeters in feet.

There's not much else to say about this MiG other than try it out! It's quite good. Available here (looks like they put up an anti-spam Captcha, but the website itself still seems to work)

http://www.migsim.ic.cz/mfhome.html




Mil Mi-24D by Nemeth Designs.

While I'm not wild about Nemeth Designs' product support, this aircraft is still enjoyable. It does have some bugs, which I'll detail, but it looks much better than the Virtavia offering, and the flight performance seems to be more realistic (having never flown a Hind). This addon represents the mid-80s era D model helicopter, and comes with completely functional pilot and gunner cockpits. It is designed to be fully operated from the VC, and it can be.
The soundset is accurate, the visuals look fantastic (though there is a model update on their forum that resolves graphical artifact issues in the VC, but removes the virtual cabin), and the systems for the most part seem to function fairly well, and are already levels above the Virtavia version. On that note though, there are a number of issues with the model, including: reversed anti-torque (rudder) pedal animation, reversed nav 1 and 2 radio function (association with the needs on the ADF guage), a useless HSI that acts as a wet compass (compass errors while maneuvering), and some inaccuracies with the location of the landing and taxi lights, among a few other systems logic issues that are even more nit-picky. Unfortunately, their support team seems to consist of one non-technical person who happens to be away on business quite often, and as evidenced by their other addons released within the same timeframe, there are some persistent issues that cause me to question the aviation background and competence of their testing team. The biggest thing to note though it to not expect fixes to the bugs outlined above.
With all of that in mind, the addon can still be enjoyable, and I still find myself using it for short VFR flights to and from nearby fields.

It is available at most major flightsim retailers such as Simmarket, or through the Nemeth website directly (though be wary of using their actual website, as their email system has been broken for months, with no signs of being resolved soon, so you could easily be locked out of using your product).





So...if you're still reading at this point....thanks...and I hope you try out a few of the above models. PLEASE contact me if you have any questions and/or are looking for additional information.

Thanks again for reading!

Sean
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Postby cowpatz » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:11 am

Some of the Russian flight sim aircraft are quite amazing and I have even downloaded on or two. However not having the foggiest idea as to how to read Cyrillic severely limits the enjoyment. I like to know what a switch does or a dial reads. Some can be guessed of course. I live in hope that some day English panel bitmaps and manuals can be produced....even English tool tips would be a move in the right direction.
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Postby SeanTK » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:19 am

As I mentioned in my way-too-long post above, the Tu-154 does have complete English-language documentation, as does the Hind, and recently the Mig-21 as well (though I haven't looked at the latter to see how comprehensive it is).

Additionally, I know absolutely zero Russian, and I do not even have the Cyrillic alphabet memorized, but I still can manage to figure out these aircraft and get enjoyment out of them. If I can do it, anyone can.
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Postby Ian Warren » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:10 pm

Flying anything Russian and something go's wrong I just remember that Russian cosmonaut in the true life movie 'Armageddon' "don't let needle go past that gauge" winkyy.gif
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Postby deeknow » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:05 pm

Fabulous looking cockpits, just love that GREEN ... nice one Sean.
IMHO the 154 is the COOLEST aircraft ever !!! .. must check that out now there's an Engirsh manual
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Postby Roelio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:14 am

I did own the TU-154 on my old system, I started it up a couple of times, which took about an hour, even starting the APU took several minutes. Mainly due the lack of English labels of course and I have to reach to the manual for all operations. Even after that hour it wasn't really configured to fly as the altimeter didn't work and so did some other instruments... I found it pretty enjoyable to do it, but when learning an aircraft I don't want to spend an hour starting it up every time. I want to start it up a couple of times and then move up to the next "Chapter" like flying. But every time I saved the flight with the engines running and I loaded that flight, I could start all over again from the bottom. So that annoyed me a big time actually! But that was over a year ago, so I might try it again sometime.

That Tu-144 on the other hand is maybe a bridge too far at the moment, I think I'll first need to master all aspects of a full flight in a simpler aircraft such as the 737 and A320. I got most of it now, but there are still a couple of things that aren't really clear to me (such as holding patterns, go-arounds and VOR approaches :S) But I'd really love to learn how to fly that beast! Would be awesome to fly it on VATSIM or IVAO and leave everyone stunned when you land it on an airport! So you might expect a PM soon about it winkyy.gif

The Hind is my favorite helicopter of all times! But I don't fly helicopters or military aircraft very often, so I don't want to spend too much money on those. And since I'm saving for my PPL (I'll begin in July) I spend my money only on the things I'm definitely going to use often. So the Hind will have to wait for a while.
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Postby SeanTK » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:06 am

Dean and Roelio,

You both know how to reach me if/when you feel like trying out the Tu-154 again. I'll even hop onto a multi-player session while on Teamspeak to assist if it comes down to it. (and the timing works out)
These aircraft are too complex for shared-cockpit flights, but a real-time lesson may be beneficial.

@Roelio (specifically),

New Zealand has a great selection of airports for practicing various instrument approaches, and the country seems to put their approach charts up online for free as well. Most fields are a bit too small for the Tu-154, but I would suggest hopping into the default Cessna 172 and flying a few approaches to the fields in the Waikato and Bay of Plenty region. These include Hamilton, Rotorua, Tauranga, and others. Particular nice is the VOR-DME Arc into Rotorua, as it leads you around the lake. (I suggest getting RealNZ Rotorua payware prior to trying this though)

Here's a link to all the charts you need:
http://www.aip.net.nz/NavWalk.aspx?section=CHARTS

Also, flying VOR approaches using Russian avionics is a bit of a pain in the butt since Russian VOR gauge logic is a bit different (it still works, but operating principles are more complex).
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Postby Roelio » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:19 am

Thanks Sean! Getting up to date charts for Europe is a pain in the so called ass. And I'm willing to pay some money if it helps to get me further, so I'm definitely looking into your suggestion! If I have further questions, you can expect a PM from me!
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